Discussion:
From Life-Affirming to Lifeless - Unless You Like Soaps, Stop at Season Two
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k***@gmail.com
2005-12-20 05:26:35 UTC
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Six Feet Under is a rich meditation on death, and life. It's life,
against the eternal (and very present backdrop) of death, finding
meaning and richness: Claire's creative and coming-of-age journey,
David's quest for love and identity, Nate's struggle with meaning and
mortality, Ruth's sense of alienation as an aging widow. It also jolts
the audience and characters out of denial of death to look at the value
and urgency of getting on with our finite lives.

At least, so it was for two seasons.

The third season begins with a dream-sequence, and it's never quite
clear when that ends... it just sort of mushes into an episode, and
then a series of episodes, so bad, so flavorless, so without purchase,
that I was wondering if the dream sequence had ended at all.

(If not, it's very tedious dream sequence. Speaking of which, those
sequences in general, so interesting and amusing at first as they
displayed characters thoughts spinning off crazily, have long-since
gone stale, mostly because they're poorly thought out and badly
realized.)

I wish that the reviews had been more accurate and honest. I wish that
every review had been one star. That way, I would've just given up on
the series at the end of season two, when it was still good, and
figured that unresolved ending was just the way it was meant to be. I
would've still loved it. Now, I just find the whole thing grating.

The main thing about season three is that there's just not enough
substance. There is, in the entire season, enough for maybe half an
episode of season one.

Many said the first season was the best television show ever. Though I
watch very little TV (I watched this all on DVD) season one is
certainly by far the best show I've ever seen, more like a series of
movies than television, and good movies at that.

The second season, though much inferior to the first, was still very
good, with exceptional moments.

But the third season... well, it bears very, very little relation to
the first two. The audience's interest is retained only by the soap
opera aspects. (That happens with television: Audiences are still
intrigued by the characters and the producers, though they're out of
ideas, milk it for a while by turning the show into a soap opera.)

It's like the funeral home was indeed taken over by a corporation -
seems to be the same establishment, but what's inside is totally
different, and lifeless.

The characters are played by the same actors, of course, but even
Rachel Griffiths can't do much with scripts that have become boring.
Though everyone is still doing their jobs well, it seems like Lauren
Ambrose (Claire) is the only other actor putting her heart into it.

The way the deaths were woven into the fabric of the episodes, so
crucial to this series, is absent. It's just a business, and they might
as well be selling lawnmowers. The scripts could be transferred to or
from any other show, and seem to have been.


David's become effeminate and swishy (and gets even more so in the next
season) - closer to a stereotype and out of character from who he was
in season one - and his romantic travails have become monotonous.

Ruth just seems goofy, and lost. Without that marvelous interplay of
her lusty Russian, Nikoli (full of irrepressible life, including the
symbolism in his vocation), her world is just comfortingly dull, even
when a bit spiced up by a naughty friend (introduced with a lame
addiction storyline that seemed to be just introduce the new friend).

Claire's journey, though it's the most interesting thing about the
season, and its focus (sort of), has become tedious as well. (Her
art-school teacher is just a well-rendered stock character.)

Nate we just can't make ourselves care about anymore. The character he
was before had a certain core that this one just doesn't. Maybe it's
his brain problem, but he's not him anymore. (And what's with the
expensively-mainted, trendy, bad haircut?)

Frederico remains little more than a prop, continuously exploited by
Fishers. They pay him less than he's worth, treat him terribly no
matter how much he does for them, and then, though they left him to
twist in the same situation (when they could have easily helped him),
he comes through with a lifesaver when they're desperate (for which,
with typical ingratitude, they take advantage of him again). It's crazy
that anyone would entrust money to people who handle it so badly. Talk
about a doormat. It's strange that there's no explanation or
exploration of that.

Keith, once so intriguing, has become a prop as well, almost on the
level of comic relief. He has a boring job that's boring for us to
watch, and they've decided he has to become a boring guy.

It seems like the writers just can't imagine anyone in a mundane job
could have an interesting and worthwhile existence, and the show has
taken on a mildly racist tinge.

Lisa, originally a one-dimensional, one-off character, should have
remained such, or stayed in the background. Her story is dull - it
doesn't have to be, but it is - and drags down the rest with it, if it
can be dragged lower.

Brenda is only interesting at all because she's so well-acted. The
character, like everything else, has gone flat (uh, so to speak). No
matter how well acted, the characters have become cardboard cutouts.

The writers also introduce a mildly autistic, slightly creepy nerd. For
some reason. (Also very well acted... and pointless.)

I like who the characters were on the first season. For example, I
liked Brenda's self-assurance, even though there was all kinds of
damage beneath it; that played nicely into Nate's air of detached,
rugged cool, just beneath which he was perpetually skating over the
thin ice of an empty and meaningless existence.

People change, but there's something left of who they were, instead of
someone completely unrelated - David lurching into a stereotype, for
example. When he asks the new assistant (in season one) what makes her
think he's gay, we might wonder the same thing. In season three, it's
so obvious that the only answer is, Duh.

Why?

Why does Nate lose his entire personality and replace it with a new one
with no connection or even transition (brain surgery)? Was Keith's
entire identity based on being a cop who hadn't shot anyone yet (and
why, in that scene, didn't his partner fire as well - who'd want to
have a partner that wouldn't do anything when someone swings a gun
around to shoot you)?

In short, though called by the same names and played by the same
actors, the characters are otherwise unrelated to those of season one.



There is no point to watching this season. Though I was soon bored, I
kept on because I figured there had to be some payoff somewhere. There
isn't.

The first season is stunning. The second, though uneven, is still
excellent.

The third, though, looks like some goof took the characters and wrote a
weak fan-fiction version.

The technique is still superb: There are marvelous touches, like when a
character gets shocking news there's no ominous theme music or
heavy-handed camerawork; it's just an ordinary afternoon.

It's just that the writing has fallen apart.

To the injury of wasted time and money, one writer adds insult,
literally: Wondering why the second season was inferior to the first, I
listened to the writer's commentary on an episode. She starts by
insulting the audience for having nothing better to do than listen to
her. It's not funny - it doesn't seem to be meant to be funny - and it
turns out to be a well-founded, as she has nothing interesting to say.

Might explain why the following season is so crappy. Everything is just
plot devices and recycled sitcom gags (e.g., bumping into the priest at
the video store).

I was curious enough about why this was so bad, when the first season
was so good, that I poked around on the Internet a bit. A lot of
comments were along the lines of will X and Y get back together? Will A
and B break up? Soap opera comments for a soap opera season.

There are people who liked season three; there are people who like soap
operas, and this season basically is one (centered around a funeral
home).


Read the episode guides. By the second episode of the first series, so
much had happened it felt like I'd been watching for at least a season
already. And although the second season faltered, with a lot more
filler, it still had a great deal to offer.

Had the entire third season been cut down to make up one episode, or
maximum two, it might have been good, but as it is, it's all just vague
filler, a waste of time and talent.

Anyone who likes Six Feet Under and hasn't yet watched beyond season
two would be well advised not to. Just pretend it ended at the end of
season two, maybe leaving some things unresolved, but that's just the
way it ended. Leave it there and appreciate it for what it was. Unless
you're a big fan of fan-fiction, there's no point in watching beyond
that.
m***@gmail.com
2005-12-20 12:47:15 UTC
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I watched the whole 5 series run as it was broadcast season by season
on terrestrial TV in Britain, and now I'm just working my way through
my bit-torrented collection of all 63 episodes, and I've just finished
series 3 episode 2.

I suppose you have some valid points, but I am not inclined to be as
severe as you evidently are. You come over a bit "superior" in your
attitude to people you characterise as "soap opera" viewers. In the 19
century, literary types looked down on novels & people who read novels,
and Charles Dickens was not immune. (many of his works were first
published in weekly parts, and railway station bookstalls were
allegedly beseiged by City gents crying "Is Little Nell really dead?")

I really detest the Lisa character this time around, and, yes, Nate
behaves like a dick. Brenda has a very attractive bust. Claire is
chubby but cute. etc etc. Guess that makes me a lowbrow... ho hum...
w***@netzero.net
2005-12-20 17:01:16 UTC
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Post by k***@gmail.com
Six Feet Under is a rich meditation on death, and life. It's life,
against the eternal (and very present backdrop) of death, finding
meaning and richness: Claire's creative and coming-of-age journey,
David's quest for love and identity, Nate's struggle with meaning and
mortality, Ruth's sense of alienation as an aging widow. It also jolts
the audience and characters out of denial of death to look at the value
and urgency of getting on with our finite lives.
At least, so it was for two seasons.
The third season begins with a dream-sequence, and it's never quite
clear when that ends... it just sort of mushes into an episode, and
then a series of episodes, so bad, so flavorless, so without purchase,
that I was wondering if the dream sequence had ended at all.
So far I'm tending to agree with you. I'm almost done with season three
and found it to be a HUGE drop off in quality from teh first two
seasons. And my biggest peeve outside of some of the writing quality
for season 3, is the over abudnance of the 'dream sequence' which is
way overdone now. Every other scene something happens and it turns out
it's just a dream and it's getting tiresome. It waters down the over
series, in my opinion.
l***@gmail.com
2005-12-21 02:56:06 UTC
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It's fine to like soap operas. I just wish somebody'd let me know that
that was what this had become, and that the characters - indeed, the
entire show - had become so unrelated to what they were before.

I guess I do come across a bit superior, Mike. I don't mean to. I'm
just pissed that, though I'd heard negative things about season three,
I ended up watching it 'cause so many people had given it good reviews.
I really wish I'd just dropped the series at the end of season two
(which also was said to be inferior to the previous season... and was,
but was at least related to it). I would've loved it. (And I wouldn't
have wasted the time.) Yes, I am a little pissed at them. I'm like, you
people made me watch a soap opera, dammit, and left me feeling just
annoyed at the best show I've ever seen.

And I kept watching and watching because I was sure there had to be
something to redeem in it in there somewhere.

Now that I'm done, I'm just going - what the heck we're these people
talking about? Why didn't I believe the ones who said the series was
essentially over?



My girlfriend is on season two (at the end of which she's decided to
stop). Tonight I came in halfway through the "Back to the Garden"
episode.

Maybe it's not one of the best episodes, but as I watched it, Sarah
(Ruth's sister) has depth, and helps us to better understand Ruth, and
Ruth to better understand herself.

I think it's the episode before that where Sarah says, "I had fun?"

That exchange helps us to understand not only the characters, but
ourselves. We're always accusing each other of taking the easier way
and so on - the guy who went off to work with orangutans in Borneo; the
girl who stayed home to take care of Aunt Molly. We've known people in
various versions of these roles. Everyone has their own tragedies. It
might help us when we're inclined to judge one-another.

And then we see at the end that there's a whole side of Ruth we
should've guessed was there. Unlike season three, it's not out of
character with her; it's just another aspect.



What Sarah brings out in Claire is also valuable, as we can all think
about our own talents and dreams, and ones that we tend to feel are
unworthy, ones that we fail to see as worthy in others.


Now, compare that to Sarah in season three. A charicature who does
nothing to explore or enlighten, just there in one episode so Ruth can
meet a new friend.


And then Keith talks about life as a striving for perfection. This is
the Keith who will soon become just a tired plot device. It's hard to
imagine that guy, intelligent, concerned with making himself and the
world around him better, just giving up, doing security, blown about by
the wind.

Wouldn't Keith have dealt with his feelings by... going into social
work, or exploring non-lethal weaponry, or working to change department
training and procedure, or getting PhD and looking at gun control
policy? That's what the character of Keith up to that point would have
done, maybe after a brief period in security to get his head together,
until he woke up and said - It's been seven months! What the hell am I
doing with my life?

(In the shooting, Keith should have shot the guy in the leg before it
became a him-or-me situation, or Tased him, or taken cover so it
wouldn't be a him-or-me, etc. There was a guy pointing a gun at
someone, they certainly could have, and should have, shot after one
quick warning. If his training hadn't covered that, maybe he'd be
interested in improving the training.)



Wunnuy, I'm not so sure about the one-timer thing (from the previous
topic). I know several people who entered into what they and everyone
else assumed were a quick flings or one-time deals (something on
vacation, usually) and ended up enjoying the other persons company
(and, uh, some other things). Soon it turns into a slightly longer
fling (if in separate cities, the fling comes to visit), and then
they're living together. Brenda and Nate I can see happening. I have
seen it happening. I know a few happy marriages that, surprisingly
enough (not least to the couple involved), started out like that. (And
a couple very unhappy experiences, particularly a girl who was taking
anti-depressants and, the chemicals zipping around her brain, thought
she was In Love with the first guy who happened along.)

Remember, too, that it wasn't just, "Well, see ya, maybe I'll give you
a call while you're in town." She drove him to the hospital, and was
with him for that, so they very quickly shared two intense experiences
and got an idea of each other's character.


Anyway, thanks for discussing it with me. Mostly, I wanted to warn
anyone who's enjoying SFU as much as I did to STOP at the end of season
two. Not a bad place to end it, really. (Maybe some day they'll pick it
up from there, do a movie based on everything after the surgery having
been a coma fugue).

At some point, after I shake off season three, I'll go back and watch
season one over again. I'd hate to lose that.
wunnuy
2005-12-21 03:55:24 UTC
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During the first two seasons, I was really looking forward to the disks
coming in from Netflix. I'm done with episode 8 on season 3 now, and
I'm in no hurry at all to finish it off. If I had come into the show
starting with season 3, I definitely would have not watched any more of
it. I don't know, maybe the last five episodes will be better, but so
far it hasn't lived up to the first two seasons at all.
Patrick MM
2005-12-25 02:01:13 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
During the first two seasons, I was really looking forward to the disks
coming in from Netflix. I'm done with episode 8 on season 3 now, and
I'm in no hurry at all to finish it off. If I had come into the show
starting with season 3, I definitely would have not watched any more of
it. I don't know, maybe the last five episodes will be better, but so
far it hasn't lived up to the first two seasons at all.
I would say the last three episodes of season three are the best run of the
series, and the final episode of year three is my favorite single episode of
the whole show. The major difference between year three and the first two
years is that three is a much longer story, one in which the emotional
motivations don't really become clear until the end of the year. That's also
why the payoff at the end is so strong, because these plots have been
building over the entire season and culminate in a really interesting way.

patrick
wunnuy
2005-12-25 02:08:11 UTC
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Post by Patrick MM
I would say the last three episodes of season three are the best run of the
series, and the final episode of year three is my favorite single episode of
the whole show. The major difference between year three and the first two
years is that three is a much longer story, one in which the emotional
motivations don't really become clear until the end of the year. That's also
why the payoff at the end is so strong, because these plots have been
building over the entire season and culminate in a really interesting way.
patrick
We finished them last night. I don't think they match up to the rest of
the series, but the acting was as good as ever. Excellent cast is the
only reason why I'm trying season four (in hopes it gets as good as the
first two seasons).
Patrick MM
2005-12-25 02:34:36 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
We finished them last night. I don't think they match up to the rest of
the series, but the acting was as good as ever. Excellent cast is the
only reason why I'm trying season four (in hopes it gets as good as the
first two seasons).
I would say year four is the weakest, though there's still a lot of good
stuff. However, definitely watch five, I would consider the series as three
seperate chunks: 1+2, 3+4 and 5. Five has some issues, but it's also got
some of the most emotionally affecting material I've ever seen on
television.

patrick
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-21 04:32:46 UTC
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It's fine to like soap operas. I just wish somebody'd let me know that
that was what this had become, and that the characters - indeed, the
entire show - had become so unrelated to what they were before.

I guess I do come across a bit superior, Mike. I don't mean to. I'm
just pissed that, though I'd heard negative things about season three,
I ended up watching it 'cause so many people had given it good reviews.


I really wish I'd just dropped the series at the end of season two
(which also was said to be inferior to the previous season... and was,
but was at least related to it). I would've loved it. (And I wouldn't
have wasted the time.) Yes, I am a little pissed at them. I'm like, You
people made me watch a soap opera, dammit, and left me feeling just
annoyed at the best show I've ever seen.

And I kept watching and watching because I was sure there had to be
something to redeem in it in there somewhere.

Now that I'm done, I'm just going - what the heck were these people
talking about? Why didn't I believe the ones who said the series was
essentially over?

.


My girlfriend is on season two (at the end of which she's decided to
stop). Tonight I came in halfway through the "Back to the Garden"
episode.

Maybe it's not one of the best episodes, but as I watched it, Sarah
(Ruth's sister) has depth, and helps us to better understand Ruth, and
Ruth to better understand herself.

I think it's the episode before that where Sarah says, "I had fun?"

That exchange helps us to understand not only the characters, but
ourselves. We're always accusing each other of taking the easier way
and so on - the guy who went off to work with orangutans in Borneo; the
girl who stayed home to take care of Aunt Molly. We've known people in
various versions of these roles. Everyone has their own tragedies. It
might help us when we're inclined to judge one-another.

And then we see at the end that there's a whole side of Ruth we
should've guessed was there. Unlike season three, it's not out of
character with her; it's just another aspect.

.


What Sarah brings out in Claire is also valuable, as we can all think
about our own talents and dreams, and ones that we tend to feel are
unworthy, ones that we fail to see as worthy in others.


.


And Keith talks about life as a striving for perfection. This is the
Keith who soon will just become a tired plot device. It's hard to
imagine that guy, intelligent, concerned with making himself and the
world around him better, just giving up, doing security, blown about by
the wind.

Wouldn't Keith have dealt with his feelings by... going into social
work, or exploring non-lethal weaponry, or working to change department
training and procedure, or getting PhD and looking at gun control
policy? That's what the character of Keith up to that point would have
done, maybe after a brief period in security to get his head together,
until he woke up and said - It's been seven months! What the hell am I
doing with my life?

(In the shooting, Keith should have shot the guy in the leg before it
became a him-or-me situation, or Tased him, or taken cover so it
wouldn't be a him-or-me, etc. There was a guy pointing a gun at
someone, they certainly could have, and should have, shot after one
quick warning. If his training hadn't covered that, maybe he'd be
interested in improving the training.)


.


Wunnuy, I'm not so sure about the one-timer thing (from the previous
topic). I know several people who entered into what they and everyone
else assumed was a quick fling or a one-time deal (something on
vacation, usually) and ended up enjoying the other persons company
(and, uh, some other things). Soon it turns into a slightly longer
fling (if in separate cities, the fling comes to visit), and then
they're living together.

Brenda and Nate I can see happening. I have seen it happening. I know a
few happy marriages that, surprisingly enough (not least to the couple
involved), started out like that.

Remember, too, that it wasn't just, "Well, see ya, maybe I'll give you
a call while you're in town." She drove him to the hospital, and was
with him for that, so they very quickly shared two intense experiences
and got an idea of each other's character.

.


Anyway, thanks for discussing it with me. Mostly, I wanted to warn
anyone who's enjoying SFU as much as I did to STOP at the end of season
two.

At some point, after I shake off season three, I'll go back and watch
season one over again. I'd hate to lose that.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-21 04:34:50 UTC
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It's fine to like soap operas. I just wish somebody'd let me know that
that was what this had become, and that the characters - indeed, the
entire show - had become so unrelated to what they were before.

I guess I do come across a bit superior, Mike. I don't mean to. I'm
just pissed that, though I'd heard negative things about season three,
I ended up watching it 'cause so many people had given it good reviews.


I really wish I'd just dropped the series at the end of season two
(which also was said to be inferior to the previous season... and was,
but was at least related to it). I would've loved it. (And I wouldn't
have wasted the time.) Yes, I am a little pissed at them. I'm like, You
people made me watch a soap opera, dammit, and left me feeling just
annoyed at the best show I've ever seen.

And I kept watching and watching because I was sure there had to be
something to redeem in it in there somewhere.

Now that I'm done, I'm just going - what the heck were these people
talking about? Why didn't I believe the ones who said the series was
essentially over?

.


My girlfriend is on season two (at the end of which she's decided to
stop). Tonight I came in halfway through the "Back to the Garden"
episode.

Maybe it's not one of the best episodes, but as I watched it, Sarah
(Ruth's sister) has depth, and helps us to better understand Ruth, and
Ruth to better understand herself.

I think it's the episode before that where Sarah says, "I had fun?"

That exchange helps us to understand not only the characters, but
ourselves. We're always accusing each other of taking the easier way
and so on - the guy who went off to work with orangutans in Borneo; the
girl who stayed home to take care of Aunt Molly. We've known people in
various versions of these roles. Everyone has their own tragedies. It
might help us when we're inclined to judge one-another.

And then we see at the end that there's a whole side of Ruth we
should've guessed was there. Unlike season three, it's not out of
character with her; it's just another aspect.

.


What Sarah brings out in Claire is also valuable, as we can all think
about our own talents and dreams, and ones that we tend to feel are
unworthy, ones that we fail to see as worthy in others.


.


And Keith talks about life as a striving for perfection. This is the
Keith who soon will just become a tired plot device. It's hard to
imagine that guy, intelligent, concerned with making himself and the
world around him better, just giving up, doing security, blown about by
the wind.

Wouldn't Keith have dealt with his feelings by... going into social
work, or exploring non-lethal weaponry, or working to change department
training and procedure, or getting PhD and looking at gun control
policy? That's what the character of Keith up to that point would have
done, maybe after a brief period in security to get his head together,
until he woke up and said - It's been seven months! What the hell am I
doing with my life?

(In the shooting, Keith should have shot the guy in the leg before it
became a him-or-me situation, or Tased him, or taken cover so it
wouldn't be a him-or-me, etc. There was a guy pointing a gun at
someone, they certainly could have, and should have, shot after one
quick warning. If his training hadn't covered that, maybe he'd be
interested in improving the training.)


.


Wunnuy, I'm not so sure about the one-timer thing (from the previous
topic). I know several people who entered into what they and everyone
else assumed was a quick fling or a one-time deal (something on
vacation, usually) and ended up enjoying the other persons company
(and, uh, some other things). Soon it turns into a slightly longer
fling (if in separate cities, the fling comes to visit), and then
they're living together.

Brenda and Nate I can see happening. I have seen it happening. I know a
few happy marriages that, surprisingly enough (not least to the couple
involved), started out like that.

Remember, too, that it wasn't just, "Well, see ya, maybe I'll give you
a call while you're in town." She drove him to the hospital, and was
with him for that, so they very quickly shared two intense experiences
and got an idea of each other's character.

.


Anyway, thanks for discussing it with me. Mostly, I wanted to warn
anyone who's enjoying SFU as much as I did to STOP at the end of season
two.

At some point, after I shake off season three, I'll go back and watch
season one over again. I'd hate to lose that.
Beth M.
2005-12-22 00:16:08 UTC
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kneel1, please go away. Most of us liked the show from start to finish.
You say to stop after season 2, I wish I would have stopped your long
rambling "review" after paragraph two. Thanks for wasting my time. I hope
you find something better to watch than SFU, you must be a really really
hard person to please.

end.
wunnuy
2005-12-22 00:20:54 UTC
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Well, this is a SFU group where people talk about the show. If it was
just people gushing over it, the discussion would have gotten boring
after season one and eventually no one would have ever used the group.
It is each fan's peragotive to like or dislike certain parts of the
show and discuss it here. You're under no requirement to read every
post. The show is far and away far from being perfect.
Fab
2005-12-22 10:07:27 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
Well, this is a SFU group where people talk about the show. If it was
just people gushing over it, the discussion would have gotten boring
after season one and eventually no one would have ever used the group.
It is each fan's peragotive to like or dislike certain parts of the
show and discuss it here. You're under no requirement to read every
post. The show is far and away far from being perfect.
Oh yeah... perfect ... what's that ?

I also agree that this group ain't been created for people saying "don't see
it!", but I can't forbid you to say it, if want to...
Also, if you say "stop at season 2" , clearly we don't expect the same thing
from this show. I do agree their life got a little bit "crazy" and boring at
the same time and less interesting, but the way of showing on tv it still
remains very "good".
To finish, if you watched this 'till the end (even if you don't like it)
either you have nothing better to do than watching things you don't even
like, or the show was even good enough to keep you watching it untill the
end... so it's not "fair" to tell people to stop ...
Beth M.
2005-12-23 01:01:17 UTC
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"Fab" <***@free.frinvalid> wrote
so it's not "fair" to tell people to stop ...


Exactly. Just because he doesn't like it, he has no business telling people
to not bother with the rest of the seasons. In my opinion they were all
good, each in their own way, and some more than others. If I hadn't watched
each season and each and every episode, the last show... the last 15 minutes
of the last show, would not have touched me as deeply as it had.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-23 07:03:56 UTC
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"...I wish I would have stopped your long rambling "review" after
paragraph two."

.

That makes two of us. At least.

Why didn't you?

(Hmmm... maybe the same reason you kept watching a show that had long
since become pointless and lifeless.)



.


"Exactly..."

.


Exactly wrong.

What gave you the idea that a discussion group was just a cheerleading
section? I wasn't aware that SFU was scripture, somehow infallible. The
forum is to discuss the show, not just to oooh and ahhh.

(Although that can be done with a lot less "rambling": "THIS SHOW IS
SO AWESOME!!!! I HOPE BRENDA HAS NATE'S BABY! I HOPE KEITH AND DAVID
GET MARRIED! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!")


.


Yes, now I am being superior, but...

I would argue that it's a real fan who actually appreciates what's
good, rather than just taking soft-focus view that it's all wonderful.

If you think season three and beyond are of equal quality to season
one, I think you've missed an awful lot of what made it such a great
show (for two season), and I'd argue you didn't really appreciate it.

If you think it's just as good, why should the cast and crew go the
extra effort to produce something as good as the first two seasons.
(Maybe that's why they stopped bothering?)

If you think it's all just peachy, well what differentiates Six Feet
Under from everything else on TV? It doesn't really matter what you
watch then, does it?

Yes, I am hard to please, enough so anyway that I don't see much point
in watching TV. Most of it is just the tired gags and plot devices
endlessly recycled. Like SFU became.

But a lot of people agreed with me, such that by the end of the third
season HBO, so I'm told, wanted to cancel the series. They're not
posting here because they've long since given up on it (in a very quick
glance at a few posts from that season there are the same complaints
about the writing going crappy, having holes, etc.).


.


Also, the product placement got a ridiculous at times, right up to Dr.
Pepper playing an important role in the finale, being so tempting and
yummy that even a nursing-mother vegan health nut - who would have done
all she could to avoid caffeine while nursing - can't possibly resist
it... let's discuss what relevance this tasty beverage, Dr. Pepper, may
have in determining Lisa's fate.

And let's have many shots prominently featuring a can of this tasty,
tempting, irresistible - even to a vegan nursing-mother health nut -
tasty beverage!

Sloppy. Just milking the cash while contributing nothing.


.


As to why I kept watching, well, it was because I looked at this very
group. I wish
someone else had said, If you really appreciate this show, if you
really get it, stop at the end of season two.

Despite the opinion of some friends (who, like much of the audience,
ditched the series in season three), I kept watching because posts here
said it was still so good.

It wasn't. But, thanks to what I read here, I kept thinking there would
be a payoff, that something would redeem it.

I wish, when I'd checked this forum, that I had found a post that
honestly discussed the quality drop (or, more accurately, the near
complete abandonment of whatever the show had been), and laid out the
reasons the poster felt that way, I would have been glad to have saved
myself the bother.

If people want to watch a soap opera loosely based on Six Feet Under, I
have no problem with it. Just wish someone had told me that's what it
was.

That's why I've felt it was worth my time to post here (that and I
wanted to vent a little 'cause I was so pissed and felt conned).

In other words, it's perfectly "fair" to advise others to stop while
it's good.

.


Last night my girlfriend was watching the biker funeral episode. Though
it's starting to cut corners, that's what the show was, right up to the
Don't Fear the Reaper closing shot of Nate blasting down the highway on
his new Harley, not letting fear (and denial) of death keep him from
embracing life.

That's what I miss. That's what I loved.
Fab
2005-12-23 14:44:57 UTC
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Post by k***@gmail.com
"...I wish I would have stopped your long rambling "review" after
paragraph two."
.
That makes two of us. At least.
Why didn't you?
(Hmmm... maybe the same reason you kept watching a show that had long
since become pointless and lifeless.)
.
"Exactly..."
.
Exactly wrong.
What gave you the idea that a discussion group was just a cheerleading
section?
BLABLABLA
The idea is : shits don't deserve to have their own group. Here are some
people who talk ABOUT the show, if you didn't see the show, I don't think
your words are gonna be heard. (See the point ?). Someone who drops by in
a physic group, saying physic sucks, I don't think he has anything to do on
it.
We're here to tell why we like it , OR why we don't... but if it doesn't
worth it, you can go, don't waste your time talking about a tv show you
think you should've never seen the end. (PLUS, if you do think the 3 4 5
seasons don't even worth to be seen... I REALLY think you're wasting your
time here !! ).
There's a bit (or a very big) difference between talking about something
in a bad way, and ignoring something ( and telling people to ignore that
too, when they came here just to talk about it and not just to tell they've
seen it). If you watched this TV show just to say "I'VE SEEN THEM ALL", I am
glad for you ... but i don't think this is the only satisfaction people can
get by watching SFU 'till the end. Clearly, someone who didn't see it, has
nothing to do here, and neither do people who are not planing to see it. You
get the idea... the end, and the way to get to the end... to very important
things...

F

PS : I think your thoughts in just one copy would be enough :) , don't you ?
Tina
2005-12-23 16:16:53 UTC
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<***@gmail.com>

<snipped, and snipped and snipped>
Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, the product placement got a ridiculous at times,
We had a discussion about that. I don't see it normally. Someone did mention
the Ravenswood wine on the table of the "Here's to Nate" scene. I did buy
it. Product placement successful!

As for critics....bring 'em on! I loathe pure fawning. As for rambling...a
risk the writer takes at losing his audience. If he/she just wants to hear
themselves talk, then mission accomplished.

Tina
Jim Heckman
2005-12-25 07:30:39 UTC
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Post by Tina
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Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, the product placement got a ridiculous at times,
We had a discussion about that. I don't see it normally. Someone did mention
the Ravenswood wine on the table of the "Here's to Nate" scene. I did buy
it. Product placement successful!
I bought a Neti pot and haven't had a cold in the last year and a
half...

[...]
--
Jim Heckman
Tina
2005-12-27 19:04:04 UTC
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Post by Jim Heckman
Post by Tina
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Post by k***@gmail.com
Also, the product placement got a ridiculous at times,
We had a discussion about that. I don't see it normally. Someone did mention
the Ravenswood wine on the table of the "Here's to Nate" scene. I did buy
it. Product placement successful!
I bought a Neti pot and haven't had a cold in the last year and a
half...
Speaking of which, did anyone see the scene from The Office where Rainn
Wilson's character steals a teapot in a gift exchange so he can use it as a
Neti pot? Very funny.

Tina
Beth M.
2005-12-23 16:27:50 UTC
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1) kneel1, do you have to post everything in duplicate? Does it make you
feel more important?
2) kneel1, too bad you won't give the other seasons a fair shake. I really
enjoyed the last season for instance.
Tina
2005-12-23 16:31:28 UTC
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Post by Beth M.
1) kneel1, do you have to post everything in duplicate? Does it make you
feel more important?
Sometimes this is done by the newsreader, not the poster.
Post by Beth M.
2) kneel1, too bad you won't give the other seasons a fair shake. I
really enjoyed the last season for instance.
Ouuuuu, I'm in the mood to watch the finale...where is that tape? That or my
new Eddie Izzard DVD.

Tina
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-28 00:26:53 UTC
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"1) kneel1, do you have to post everything in duplicate? Does it make
you
feel more important? "


Yes it does.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-28 00:27:21 UTC
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"1) kneel1, do you have to post everything in duplicate? Does it make
you
feel more important? "


Yes it does.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-23 10:24:23 UTC
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"...I wish I would have stopped your long rambling "review" after
paragraph two."
.

That makes two of us. At least.

Why didn't you?

(Hmmm... maybe the same reason you kept watching a show that had long
since become pointless and lifeless.)

.

"Exactly..."


Exactly wrong.

What gave you the idea that a discussion group was just a cheerleading
section? I wasn't aware that SFU was scripture, somehow infallible. The
forum is to discuss the show, not just to oooh and ahhh.

(Although that can be done with a lot less "rambling": "THIS SHOW IS
SO AWESOME!!!! I HOPE BRENDA HAS NATE'S BABY! I HOPE KEITH AND DAVID
GET MARRIED! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!")

.

Yes, now I am being superior, but...

I would argue that it's a real fan who actually appreciates what's
good, rather than just taking soft-focus view that it's all wonderful.
If you think season three and beyond are of equal quality to season
one, I think you've missed an awful lot of what made it such a great
show (for two season), and I'd argue you didn't really appreciate it.

If you think it's just as good, why should the cast and crew go the
extra effort to produce something as good as the first two seasons.
(Maybe that's why they stopped bothering?)

If you think it's all just peachy, well what differentiates Six Feet
Under from everything else on TV? It doesn't really matter what you
watch then, does it?

Yes, I am hard to please, enough so anyway that I don't see much point
in watching TV. Most of it is just tired gags and plot devices
endlessly recycled. Like SFU became.

But a lot of people agreed with me, such that by the end of the third
season HBO, so I'm told, wanted to cancel the series. They're not
posting here because they've long since given up on it (in a very quick
glance at a few posts from that season there are the same complaints
about the writing going crappy, having holes, etc.).

.

Also, the product placement got ridiculous at times, right up to Dr.
Pepper playing an important role, being so tempting and yummy that even
a nursing-mother vegan health nut - who would have done all she could
to avoid caffeine while nursing - can't possibly resist it... let's
discuss what relevance this tasty beverage, Dr. Pepper, may have in
determining Lisa's fate.

And let's have many shots prominently featuring a can of this tasty,
tempting, irresistible - even to a vegan nursing-mother health nut -
beverage!

Sloppy. Just milking the cash while contributing nothing.

.

As to why I kept watching, well, it was because I looked at this very
group. I wish someone else had said, If you really appreciate this
show, if you really get it, stop at the end of season two.

Despite the opinion of some friends (who, like much of the audience,
ditched the series in season three), I kept watching because posts here
said it was still so good.

It wasn't. But, thanks to what I read here, I kept thinking there would
be a payoff, that something would redeem it.

I wish, when I'd checked this forum, that I had found a post that
honestly discussed the quality drop (or, more accurately, the near
complete abandonment of whatever the show had been), and laid out the
reasons the poster felt that way, I would have been glad to have been
saved the bother.

If people want to watch a soap opera loosely based on Six Feet Under, I
have no problem with it. Just wish someone had told me that's what it
was.

That's why I've felt it was worth my time to post here (that and I
wanted to vent a little 'cause I was so pissed and felt conned).

In other words, it's perfectly "fair" to advise others to stop while
it's good.

.

Last night my girlfriend was watching the biker funeral episode. Though
it's starting to cut corners, that's what the show was, right up to the
Don't Fear the Reaper closing shot of Nate blasting down the highway on
his new Harley, not letting fear (and denial) of death keep him from
embracing life.

That's what I miss. That's what I loved.
wunnuy
2005-12-23 15:34:08 UTC
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Anyone coming in here to discuss the show can relate ANY opinion they
like whether it's "don't watch the show" or "stick the DVDs up your
butt," it's their perogative. What you do with their advice is your
business but to *limit* or censor anyone as to what they're allowed to
write in this group is wrong. You may not like what they write but you
can't tell them to stop simply because you don't like it. Simply don't
read it or blow off their advice.
Fab
2005-12-23 17:17:48 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
Anyone coming in here to discuss the show can relate ANY opinion they
like whether it's "don't watch the show" or "stick the DVDs up your
butt," it's their perogative. What you do with their advice is your
business but to *limit* or censor anyone as to what they're allowed to
write in this group is wrong. You may not like what they write but you
can't tell them to stop simply because you don't like it. Simply don't
read it or blow off their advice.
Okay, if so, I also have the right to tell people not to tell other people
... blablabla ... simply don't ream me ... blablabla ... yeah, yeah YEAH
!!!! OKAY !!! Very interesting !!!
Well I have better stuffs to do but discuss about wether the sea is blue or
green ...
And I am sorry for you, if you still come here to talk about Shit Feet
Under, when you think it's not even worth watching it, you must have a lot
of time to waste, please enjoy !
Take care anyway ...

Does someone have some stuffs to say about the show ? , and not about the
way they define usefulnes. Or some other people here need to comunicate
their very interesting life's disillution ?

F
wunnuy
2005-12-23 17:48:11 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Okay, if so, I also have the right to tell people not to tell other people
... blablabla ... simply don't ream me ... blablabla ... yeah, yeah YEAH
!!!! OKAY !!! Very interesting !!!
Well I have better stuffs to do but discuss about wether the sea is blue or
green ...
And I am sorry for you, if you still come here to talk about Shit Feet
Under, when you think it's not even worth watching it, you must have a lot
of time to waste, please enjoy !
Take care anyway ...
Hey. I'm the one sticking up for you. Did you read my post? What the
hell you ripping into me for? Read the fucking post before you start
jumping all over the wrong person.
Fab
2005-12-24 01:15:56 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Okay, if so, I also have the right to tell people not to tell other people
... blablabla ... simply don't ream me ... blablabla ... yeah, yeah YEAH
!!!! OKAY !!! Very interesting !!!
Well I have better stuffs to do but discuss about wether the sea is blue or
green ...
And I am sorry for you, if you still come here to talk about Shit Feet
Under, when you think it's not even worth watching it, you must have a lot
of time to waste, please enjoy !
Take care anyway ...
Hey. I'm the one sticking up for you. Did you read my post? What the
hell you ripping into me for? Read the fucking post before you start
jumping all over the wrong person.
Well yes I did, and I've just done it again. Your post just sound like
"People can say whatever they want here, if you don't agree with them you
have the possibility not to read them" so I supposed you were "in the other
side". But I am "fucking" sorry if I got you wrong. :-)

So, did YOU like season 3 4 5 ? ( I definitely solved to stop talking about
meanless stuffs ).
wunnuy
2005-12-24 03:18:15 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Well yes I did, and I've just done it again. Your post just sound like
"People can say whatever they want here, if you don't agree with them you
have the possibility not to read them" so I supposed you were "in the other
side". But I am "fucking" sorry if I got you wrong. :-)
I was sticking up for your dumbass. I said people should be allowed to
say whatever they want about the show. If everyone came in and said it
was great, this group would have folded a long time ago. In fact, I was
the only one sticking up for you while the others were lamblasting you.
Although I do believe anyone should be allowed to voice their opinion
in a public forum and I will stick up for their right, I will not stick
up for you again. The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.
Fab
2005-12-24 10:43:20 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Well yes I did, and I've just done it again. Your post just sound like
"People can say whatever they want here, if you don't agree with them you
have the possibility not to read them" so I supposed you were "in the other
side". But I am "fucking" sorry if I got you wrong. :-)
I was sticking up for your dumbass. I said people should be allowed to
say whatever they want about the show. If everyone came in and said it
was great, this group would have folded a long time ago. In fact, I was
the only one sticking up for you while the others were lamblasting you.
Although I do believe anyone should be allowed to voice their opinion
in a public forum and I will stick up for their right, I will not stick
up for you again.
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.
If it makes you feel better or more "intelligent", just do it !!! My ass is
still doing pretty good.
So thanks again for your very worthful "sticking up". After a second
thought, I really should've built a memorial for that very seldom event.
"The craziness of people never ceases to amaze me."

...
wunnuy
2005-12-24 17:21:50 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
If it makes you feel better or more "intelligent", just do it !!! My ass is
still doing pretty good.
So thanks again for your very worthful "sticking up". After a second
thought, I really should've built a memorial for that very seldom event.
"The craziness of people never ceases to amaze me."
What was I thinking? The people that were ripping into you were right.
You are a fucking asshole. No wonder you have no friends, nimrod.
Please, save your lame response too, no one wants to read it. Thanks!
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-24 21:25:12 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
Post by Fab
Post by Fab
If it makes you feel better or more "intelligent", just do it !!! My ass is
still doing pretty good.
So thanks again for your very worthful "sticking up". After a second
thought, I really should've built a memorial for that very seldom event.
"The craziness of people never ceases to amaze me."
What was I thinking? The people that were ripping into you were right.
You are a fucking asshole. No wonder you have no friends, nimrod.
Please, save your lame response too, no one wants to read it. Thanks!
Wunnuy, are you sure you're not confusing me with Fab (who *definitely*
needs to discover the rich taste and full-flavored aroma decaf)?

I certainly appreciated your comments. And no point in feeding the
trolls...
wunnuy
2005-12-25 01:29:03 UTC
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Post by k***@gmail.com
Wunnuy, are you sure you're not confusing me with Fab (who *definitely*
needs to discover the rich taste and full-flavored aroma decaf)?
I certainly appreciated your comments. And no point in feeding the
trolls...
I am.

Yeah, sometimes the trolls take over a thread, it's easy to get mixed
up.
Fab
2005-12-25 18:51:09 UTC
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Post by wunnuy
Post by Fab
Post by Fab
If it makes you feel better or more "intelligent", just do it !!! My ass is
still doing pretty good.
So thanks again for your very worthful "sticking up". After a second
thought, I really should've built a memorial for that very seldom event.
"The craziness of people never ceases to amaze me."
What was I thinking? The people that were ripping into you were right.
You are a fucking asshole. No wonder you have no friends, nimrod.
Please, save your lame response too, no one wants to read it. Thanks!
LOOOOL have the impression to read a kid trying to give some "important"
response, so the adults can see him.
No friends :) Answer that at 6 pm in xmas eve... you must had A LOT OF
PEOPLE waiting for you ...
Anyway ... I don't enjoy telling people they're unhappy, because it doesn't
make me feel any happier, but if you feel ANY better by believing I have
LESS friends than you, IT'S SO OKAY !! :)

Try to get tired, have sex or I don't know, but those kind of violence
isn't very good for health, specially for an old kid, who is apparently
still growing up.
wunnuy
2005-12-26 17:09:02 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Try to get tired, have sex or I don't know, but those kind of violence
isn't very good for health, specially for an old kid, who is apparently
still growing up.
Wow! Posting on Christmas. Must have been a very sad day for you with
no one in your life, spending the day posting in usenet groups on the
internet. I hope you weren't suicidal or anything. Cheer up, the
holidays are most over. Try and find some friends, okay?
Fab
2005-12-26 19:15:14 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by Fab
Try to get tired, have sex or I don't know, but those kind of violence
isn't very good for health, specially for an old kid, who is apparently
still growing up.
Wow! Posting on Christmas. Must have been a very sad day for you with
no one in your life, spending the day posting in usenet groups on the
internet.
No, you didn't get it, 25 only exists for people who lives, to sleep,
because they couldn't do it at night.
At 25, xmas is "over" it's time to clean, to take a shower, to have some
coffe or to sleep.
You didn't see me here at 24 , at 6 pm ...
But ... how kid are you ?? Imagine how sad people could get by reading you,
when they really ARE lonely ? Xmas is just a night like another, nothing
changes, dicks don't get any bigger, and people don't get any happier, but
sad by reading the stupid words you shit, which BTW suppose people who spend
xmas eve alone, must be very sad, or suicidal. You must've been through
terrible things, and now you're getting outta them, you try to channel them
by telling people they are unhappy... look at your face in a mirror !!!
People who like you are only with you not to be alone, it's for them,
certainly not for you, ... you really thought it was because you were
exceptionnal ? Your words only happen to be fun by their exaggerated
proportions, and sad by their depth.
I didn't generalize anything, or talked about "having friends". I hope
you'll grow up, and stop to enjoy being "smaller than yourself."
Post by Fab
I hope you weren't suicidal or anything. Cheer up, the
holidays are most over. Try and find some friends, okay?
Holidays NOW... when I was attending school yeah...
I have nothing to add about those very construtive words, and now I'm gonna
kill myself because I'm probably gonna spend the whole new year's day at the
emergency of a big hospital with a LOT of ill people, who tried to kill
themselves too because some cyber-sociopath made them realise they were
having a very poor life, by spending xmas day alone. (Oh, I think I'm gonna
suicide before new years day ... :-/ ).
wunnuy
2005-12-26 20:16:21 UTC
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(excuses for being alone on Christmas deleted for space)
Post by Fab
I have nothing to add about those very construtive words, and now I'm gonna
kill myself because I'm probably gonna spend the whole new year's day at the
emergency of a big hospital with a LOT of ill people, who tried to kill
themselves too because some cyber-sociopath made them realise they were
having a very poor life, by spending xmas day alone. (Oh, I think I'm gonna
suicide before new years day ... :-/ ).
Wow! I'm sorry you were so lonely on Christmas that you spent your day
posting on the internet. If you're still suicidal, you might consider
calling a suicide hotline. This is statistically the worst time of year
for suicides. I hope if you're thinking of killing yourself because
you're so lonely, you might call one of those hotlines. It's not a good
time for a depressed person like yourself to be alone. Try the mission
or possibly find a church in your area. Although I don't care about you
at all, I hate to see anyone kill themself.
Fab
2005-12-26 23:42:34 UTC
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(excuses for being alone on Christmas deleted for space)
Post by Fab
I have nothing to add about those very construtive words, and now I'm gonna
kill myself because I'm probably gonna spend the whole new year's day at the
emergency of a big hospital with a LOT of ill people, who tried to kill
themselves too because some cyber-sociopath made them realise they were
having a very poor life, by spending xmas day alone. (Oh, I think I'm gonna
suicide before new years day ... :-/ ).
Wow! I'm sorry you were so lonely on Christmas that you spent your day
posting on the internet. If you're still suicidal, you might consider
calling a suicide hotline. This is statistically the worst time of year
for suicides. I hope if you're thinking of killing yourself because
you're so lonely, you might call one of those hotlines. It's not a good
time for a depressed person like yourself to be alone. Try the mission
or possibly find a church in your area. Although I don't care about you
at all, I hate to see anyone kill themself.
Pathetic, seriously stop it, there's no proud of being ridiculous !!! (say
something else, you're boring with the same not fun joke SERIOUSLY !!!)
If you don't care about me, why do you keep answering ???
Have something to show or to prove ? Never could been heard ? Or seen ?
trying to do it now ? :)
That's my job talking to people like you, and listening to what they have to
say, so carry on I am used to it, and I think you didn't say enough about
your small nature, who secretly expects to get better by internet, but it's
not working, your level is too low. Spoiled kid !!! ^__^
I don't wanna play Freud, but those must be the consequences of some very
big erection problem... well mr flaccid, you should heal it without agreeing
with people you even don't know , and without insulting them after have
sticked up for them ... shame !!
Have a good night mr Flaccid, and if you can't do it, come here, because
here, you can at least say it !!! ;-)
Fab
2005-12-27 00:10:50 UTC
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(excuses for being alone on Christmas deleted for space)
Post by Fab
I have nothing to add about those very construtive words, and now I'm gonna
kill myself because I'm probably gonna spend the whole new year's day at the
emergency of a big hospital with a LOT of ill people, who tried to kill
themselves too because some cyber-sociopath made them realise they were
having a very poor life, by spending xmas day alone. (Oh, I think I'm gonna
suicide before new years day ... :-/ ).
Before going to bed I just wanted to be sure you're really obsessed by being
"normal" or being "not normal", and I sure had the confirmation... as I was
saying ... you DO need to tell people they have problems to be better...?
PLEASE welcome to the real world, and stop doing that !!!


from "newsbackup.com" :

"wunnuy : Still bitter that Google proved me absolutely correct? What I
said
would happen is going to happen. And since I post from Google, I'm
pretty aware of how it works. Don't worry, you'll get over it. Ah hell,
you won't, you have nothing going on in your life, obviously, since
you've come into a thread that is over a week old to add your two cents
to what everyone else has already forgotten. May I suggest
anti-depressents? They might work for you. Talk to your physician for
more details. Thanks! "

Does it ring ANY BELL ????
It's from the nerdy horror group you tried to participate, but no-one liked
you.

Well... here too :

"wunnuy : Googling your posts I see not only do you post all the time, but
practically all in this group. I don't know, maybe you should think
about getting outside, maybe getting a girlfriend (or boyfriend
whatever you preference is) instead of spending your life posting in a
nerdy horror group 24/7? It's okay if you're mad about being proven
wrong. I can see by how lonely you are, this group is all you have, so
I won't be too hard on you. maybe you can rent some George Romero
movies to jack off to, poor fella ."

Oh my "GOD" it's quite the same words you use here, the same idea, the same
depth ...

You definitely HAVE something going wrong on your life and you do TRY to
channel it with telling people what you do ... (i'm pretty sure it's some
erection problems :D, OR the age... ).
...

the whole stuff here, if you don't remember it :
http://www.newsbackup.com/about1213919.html&sid=d37ea7544e8e526bcfd7f6f01736
24e3

Have some rest mr Flaccid, internet is not good for your obsession... coffe
neither by the way ... do look yourself in a mirror , sometimes it helps !!!

Fbn
wunnuy
2005-12-27 01:21:54 UTC
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Post by Fab
Before going to bed I just wanted to be sure you're really obsessed by being
"normal" or being "not normal", and I sure had the confirmation... as I was
saying ... you DO need to tell people they have problems to be better...?
PLEASE welcome to the real world, and stop doing that !!!
Aw, poor girl. Please, google whatever you like, if it will help you
get over your depression. The fact that you've not only wrote TWO
replies to my post but you've spent hours googling old posts shows an
unhealthy infatuation with me. I'm sorry but I'm taken. I'm sure you
might have better luck trying some dating service or soemthig that
caters to cows, there's got to be something out there. Just don't kill
yourself, okay? I'm worried about you. Well, actually, I'm not but I
hate to see anyone harm themself simply because they're lonely. Cheer
up, something good can happen to you if you keep hoping.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-27 04:13:30 UTC
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Do .... NOT... FEED... THE.... TROLLS.
Post by wunnuy
Post by Fab
Before going to bed I just wanted to be sure you're really obsessed by being
"normal" or being "not normal", and I sure had the confirmation... as I was
saying ... you DO need to tell people they have problems to be better...?
PLEASE welcome to the real world, and stop doing that !!!
Aw, poor girl. Please, google whatever you like, if it will help you
get over your depression. The fact that you've not only wrote TWO
replies to my post but you've spent hours googling old posts shows an
unhealthy infatuation with me. I'm sorry but I'm taken. I'm sure you
might have better luck trying some dating service or soemthig that
caters to cows, there's got to be something out there. Just don't kill
yourself, okay? I'm worried about you. Well, actually, I'm not but I
hate to see anyone harm themself simply because they're lonely. Cheer
up, something good can happen to you if you keep hoping.
Fab
2005-12-27 10:15:05 UTC
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Do .... NOT... FEED... THE.... TROLLS.
Yeah that's what I told him !!!
I thought there would be something different in his post, but NO! still the
same desperate attemp to say "you must be lonely, kill kill kill lonely
kill" .
Here I stop, this guy is stupid and totaly empty.

Fab, waiting for the snow wheather's girl promissed me.
wunnuy
2005-12-27 23:16:35 UTC
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Post by Fab
Post by k***@gmail.com
Do .... NOT... FEED... THE.... TROLLS.
He's referring to you, troll.
Post by Fab
Yeah that's what I told him !!!
I thought there would be something different in his post, but NO! still the
same desperate attemp to say "you must be lonely, kill kill kill lonely
kill" .
Here I stop, this guy is stupid and totaly empty.
Fab, waiting for the snow wheather's girl promissed me.
Fab! You're still alive! So far, so good. You've got to take it one day
at a time. Spending Christmas on the internet can take its toll. Did
you take any of my suggestions? What about a church?
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-28 00:25:25 UTC
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I'm lonely.

So lonely.

Won't someone be my friend?


.




I think I'll comfort myself with Quaker 100% Natural, a tasty cereal
that was prominently featured in an episode (the whole shot is past the
box, and then Nate stops to look into the box - wondering at how tasty
it is, I suppose).

As for the little flame war, I just want to say, F%*^& YOU, FOR NOT
LETTING ME GET A SNICKERS!

.


Nothing wrong with being lonely. Just acknowlege it, go down to the
SPCA, find a dog or cat that's lonely to. You'll be happy and grateful
to each other forever.

(And then you might just be walking your dog in the park, maybe in
Paris one fall afternoon, and meet a beautiful girl who has a dog that
your dog, you realize, would have a lot of fun playing with that dog,
and, it occurs to you, you might have fun playing with that girl. And a
few years later, there you are.)

.


My girlfriend said she cried every episode of season one. Zero of two.
She looked briefly a a few of season three and said it was like a
cartoon or something.

And she's smart.

So there.

.


I think, the simplest I can put it, the show stopped being about death,
about the richness of life. Like that beautiful bit after Gabriel's
little brother dies, and the absentee father rumbles in, drunk. And
Nate says, Everybody's life is a ticking clock. You can hit all the
people you want, but it's not going to change the fact that your chance
in that boy's life is over. Did you use it well, or did you just piss
it away?

Whatever was going on with the rest of it, the who's gonna shag who,
the who's gonna break up or stay together, that part was lost. And
that, to me, was the quintessence of the show.

.


TV, face it, is mostly about pissing our time away. We have families,
friends, people who love us, like us, could use our company. When I
lived in Italy, we never had the TV on, and dinner was always with
company, and afterwards we'd talk or play cards or backgammon or walk
the dogs or...

Same in the Spain.

Think about the warmth people tend to feel when the power goes out.
(Sometimes there's some boredom at first... but boredom has a place in
our lives. Sometimes we, especially, as children, should be bored.
That's how we get creative.)


TV has a physiological effect, quickly drops the viewer into a hypnotic
trance and it's addictive. Shows up on the EEGs.

And, a key sign of an addictive behaviour - though people talk about
wanting to watch TV, almost no one ever feels better about themself
after watching TV. I read that, realized it was true, and what little
TV watching I did I stopped.

I couldn't believe it when I was back in the US and almost every time
we gathered at someone's house the TV was on, and we were usually
facing it.

Sad. Cause, you know, that thing about life being a ticking clock.
There's definitely not enough time left to do all the things I'd like
to do. But, well, gotta get back to work on them.
wunnuy
2005-12-28 01:09:31 UTC
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I'm lonely.
So lonely.
Won't someone be my friend?
.
Hey, Knee, are you talking to me or to Fab?
Fab is the one who ripped into you for posting your opinions on the
show. I was the one who stuck up for your right for free speach. Fab is
the one who was posting all day on Christmas and is suicidal. LMK who
you're referring to.
k***@gmail.com
2005-12-28 01:27:15 UTC
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I was talking to me.

The Damnatian is asleep beside me. The puppy Damnatian is asleep in
other room. As is my sweetie. Who am I gonna talk to?

Nothing wrong with being lonely.

Ever read Vonnegut's novel... I think it was in Slapstick, where one
party campaigns on the slogan, "Lonely No More!", the idea being
everyone will be formed into various sorts of groups so no one is ever
lonely again.

And the other party counters with, "Lonely, Thank God!"


That's a suggestion. Cat's Cradle, for example. Great one by the big V.
Better for the brain than TV, too.

Patrick MM
2005-12-25 02:28:06 UTC
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Post by k***@gmail.com
Six Feet Under is a rich meditation on death, and life. It's life,
against the eternal (and very present backdrop) of death, finding
meaning and richness: Claire's creative and coming-of-age journey,
David's quest for love and identity, Nate's struggle with meaning and
mortality, Ruth's sense of alienation as an aging widow. It also jolts
the audience and characters out of denial of death to look at the value
and urgency of getting on with our finite lives.
At least, so it was for two seasons.
The third season begins with a dream-sequence, and it's never quite
clear when that ends... it just sort of mushes into an episode, and
then a series of episodes, so bad, so flavorless, so without purchase,
that I was wondering if the dream sequence had ended at all.
To some extent, that's the point. Nate himself is in disbelief, unable to
fully commit to the life he finds himself living with Lisa, and he's always
haunted by the thought of what could have been. He made choices that brought
him to this point because he thought they were the right thing to do, but
what he soon finds himself feeling is that maybe what seems like the right
thing to do was really an awful mistake.

Also, the implication of 'Perfect Circles' is that there are countless
parallel universes out there, each one created by specific choices, the path
we've chosen to follow is the Nate marries Lisa universe, but that doesn't
mean it's the only valid universe. I'm not sure if you've seen year five
yet, but the stuff at the end of 'Ecotone' would seem to take place in a
whole other parallel universe, and perhaps that's the 'right' world for
these characters.
Post by k***@gmail.com
I wish that the reviews had been more accurate and honest. I wish that
every review had been one star. That way, I would've just given up on
the series at the end of season two, when it was still good, and
figured that unresolved ending was just the way it was meant to be. I
would've still loved it. Now, I just find the whole thing grating.
I would argue that season three is the show's strongest because it's the one
that pushes the characters in the most interesting directions. I would rank
the seasons 3, 5, 2, 1, 4. The problem with season one is that the
characters are so simple, and clearly designed to fit into the plot arcs set
up for this year, and two largely continues in the same direction. Three
mixes things up and puts the characters in really difficult situations,
which is very interesting to watch.
Post by k***@gmail.com
The main thing about season three is that there's just not enough
substance. There is, in the entire season, enough for maybe half an
episode of season one.
Thematically, season three is much richer than season one. One has fairly
basic arcs, Nate has a ton of interesting stuff going on, but David's story
is pretty simple, and Claire's high school stuff is much less interesting
than her art school adventures in year three. As I said before, season three
is different in that it's a much more coherent story, each episode is just a
piece of the overall arc, rather than a standalone story in its own right.
But by the time you reach "I'm Sorry, I'm Lost" it's very clear why
everything was done the way it was, and the final scenes with Nate in the
bar, and then driving are so disturbing and powerful.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Many said the first season was the best television show ever. Though I
watch very little TV (I watched this all on DVD) season one is
certainly by far the best show I've ever seen, more like a series of
movies than television, and good movies at that.
Well, that's taking the view that TV is supposed to be bad, and movies have
more inherent quality, which is something that HBO echoes with its "Not TV,
It's HBO" slogan. Season one is brilliant, but it's brilliant because of the
way it uses the medium's merits, the serialization and ongoing
character/plot development.
Post by k***@gmail.com
But the third season... well, it bears very, very little relation to
the first two. The audience's interest is retained only by the soap
opera aspects. (That happens with television: Audiences are still
intrigued by the characters and the producers, though they're out of
ideas, milk it for a while by turning the show into a soap opera.)
The show was always a soap opera, right from the very first episode. A lot
of times I see people using soap opera as a euphemism for something they
consider too melodramatic, but seasons one and two are at least as
melodramatic as three. Year three actually plays down the emotional excesses
of those two seasons, concentrating instead on Nate's feelings of
imprisonment within his marriage to Lisa.

Look at year one, which you're putting on a pedestal. I would argue the
scene where Billy lures Nate to a warehouse and pretends to be dead is the
most over the top, melodramatic thing on the whole series, and David's
numerous traumas over the course of that season feel very soap opera, as
opposed to the darker, more realistic exploration of his relationship with
Keith in year three. But the thing is, the show's always been a soap opera,
that was always the writer's intention.
Post by k***@gmail.com
The way the deaths were woven into the fabric of the episodes, so
crucial to this series, is absent. It's just a business, and they might
as well be selling lawnmowers. The scripts could be transferred to or
from any other show, and seem to have been.
See, I would argue the core of the series is the characters. Which show
would be Six Feet Under, one about Nate, Brenda, etc. without the funeral
home, or a show about a bunch of people running a funeral home? The funeral
home is basically a gimmick to introduce us to these people's lives, the
show was never really meant to be about operating a funeral home, it's about
the way these peoples' lives.

So, Nate's issues in year three are uniquely his because they play off his
fear that goes back to the beginning of the show, the fear of becoming his
father. He's always been trying to run away, but now finds himself lured
back in, and basically living his father's life.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Ruth just seems goofy, and lost. Without that marvelous interplay of
her lusty Russian, Nikoli (full of irrepressible life, including the
symbolism in his vocation), her world is just comfortingly dull, even
when a bit spiced up by a naughty friend (introduced with a lame
addiction storyline that seemed to be just introduce the new friend).
I would actually agree with this, Ruth wasn't particularly interesting in
years three and four, though she does get some better stuff in year five.
Though I would actually argue that she wasn't particularly interesting in
year one and two either.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Claire's journey, though it's the most interesting thing about the
season, and its focus (sort of), has become tedious as well. (Her
art-school teacher is just a well-rendered stock character.)
Perhaps, but I found the stuff with her and Russell really interesting. Her
year four storyline doesn't work as well, but year five totally redeems her.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Nate we just can't make ourselves care about anymore. The character he
was before had a certain core that this one just doesn't. Maybe it's
his brain problem, but he's not him anymore. (And what's with the
expensively-mainted, trendy, bad haircut?)
The whole point of his arc is that the old Nate is still there, but he's
being forced into playing the role of happy father. It's certainly a tough
storyline because we want Nate to be like he was, but the tragedy is that he
can't, it's just not possible, especially after what happens at the end of
the season.
Post by k***@gmail.com
People change, but there's something left of who they were, instead of
someone completely unrelated - David lurching into a stereotype, for
example. When he asks the new assistant (in season one) what makes her
think he's gay, we might wonder the same thing. In season three, it's
so obvious that the only answer is, Duh.
Why?
I would argue it's because David of year one is trying to hide his
homosexuality, while by year three he's fullly comfortable in his identity,
so it makes sense that would behave in a different way.
Post by k***@gmail.com
There is no point to watching this season. Though I was soon bored, I
kept on because I figured there had to be some payoff somewhere. There
isn't.
So, you weren't a fan of "I'm Sorry, I'm Lost," or Nate's whole conflict
surrounding Lisa's disappearance? His guilt about what happened is the whole
point of the season's arc, that Nate desperately wants something the whole
season, gets it and winds up feeling incredibly guilty.
Post by k***@gmail.com
I was curious enough about why this was so bad, when the first season
was so good, that I poked around on the Internet a bit. A lot of
comments were along the lines of will X and Y get back together? Will A
and B break up? Soap opera comments for a soap opera season.
There are people who liked season three; there are people who like soap
operas, and this season basically is one (centered around a funeral
home).
That's what the show is. What were you looking for, a hard hitting look
inside the running of a funeral home? The show has always been a character
based drama, and that's pretty much the definition of soap opera.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Read the episode guides. By the second episode of the first series, so
much had happened it felt like I'd been watching for at least a season
already. And although the second season faltered, with a lot more
filler, it still had a great deal to offer.
See, character development isn't filler. The first season has to have more
happen, because we have to understand the characters' history and
personalities. Once we do, there's more opportunity to play around with who
they are and put them into different situations. The show isn't plot based,
there's no goal, so the idea of filler is sort of ridiculous.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Anyone who likes Six Feet Under and hasn't yet watched beyond season
two would be well advised not to. Just pretend it ended at the end of
season two, maybe leaving some things unresolved, but that's just the
way it ended. Leave it there and appreciate it for what it was. Unless
you're a big fan of fan-fiction, there's no point in watching beyond
that.
I would argue the series doesn't really flourish until the complexity of
season two, by which point the characters have become rich and full of
contradictions. The later seasons wonderfully play off the existing
character traits, making their lives tougher and more interesting. It's a
five season long story, and a lot of the plot arcs don't really pay off
until the final episode, particularly the Nate and Lisa stuff, which remains
critical to understanding the character right up to the end.

patrick
m***@rogers.com
2005-12-27 21:39:21 UTC
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With S3 it became "The Stepford Fishers" [also, "The Stepford
Chenoweths" and "The Stepford Diazes" ...]










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