1 question & 1 opinion

[!! (Kira Dirlik)]

Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.

Question: Could any of you big screen guys see what was on Clare's
car's bumper sticker?

Kira

[somebody]

called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you...

I think she was preggo; doesn't seem like a rep visit... The obit doesn't
mention another child but she may have kept it to herself. Hell, her father
didn't even know where she was living.

[notherenow]

Post by somebody

called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you...

I think she was preggo; doesn't seem like a rep visit... The obit doesn't
mention another child but she may have kept it to herself. Hell, her father
didn't even know where she was living.

Whose obit would mention Maggie's child?

I'm staying neutral on the subject, may she was maybe she wasn't. The
scene was deliberately ambiguous, this is one place where Ball et al
left an opening.. *If* there were to be a sequel, Maggie's child (if
there is one) would be the perfect protagonist. On the other hand, maybe
they were just throwing the fans a red herring.

[manitou]

Post by notherenow
Whose obit would mention Maggie's child?

Ruth's, if the kid was another grandchild via Nate.

Post by notherenow
I'm staying neutral on the subject, may she was maybe she wasn't. The
scene was deliberately ambiguous, this is one place where Ball et al
left an opening.. *If* there were to be a sequel, Maggie's child (if
there is one) would be the perfect protagonist. On the other hand, maybe
they were just throwing the fans a red herring.

I can already see the sequel opening with Maggie almost dying in
childbirth and having a mysterious near-death experience.

She chooses an alternate reality in which Nate is still alive and is
married to her.

Lisa also is among the living in the new reality (we eventually discover
*she* bumped off her sister's hubby) and is having a torrid lesbian
affair with Brenda. They eventually adopt a child, using the agency
that provided Anthony and Durrell to David and Keith, and before you can
say "Dreft" [!] Lisa is nagging Brenda about not feeding peanut butter
to babies under a year old and keeping VISA bills in check.....

After a year or so, lesbian bed death sets in on the couple and Brenda
has a one-nighter with Carolyn, the plummy-voiced art teacher replaced
by Billy during S4 (Billy introduces the pair at a lavish dinner
co-hosted by Margaret and Olivier, to unveil Olivier's recent series of
neo-cubist nude portraits of Margaret).

Lisa, however, doesn't find out about this for some time and is
convinced Brenda is still in love with Nate and rants on about the 'Nate
vibe' she picks up on whenever Brenda has seen him......








C.

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called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you...

I think she was preggo; doesn't seem like a rep visit... The obit doesn't
mention another child but she may have kept it to herself. Hell, her father
didn't even know where she was living.

Whose obit would mention Maggie's child?
I'm staying neutral on the subject, may she was maybe she wasn't. The
scene was deliberately ambiguous, this is one place where Ball et al
left an opening.. *If* there were to be a sequel, Maggie's child (if
there is one) would be the perfect protagonist. On the other hand, maybe
they were just throwing the fans a red herring.

Why would Maggie's Child be the perfect protagonist for a sequel? We
know very little about Maggie and less about her child, it seems so
tiny a space for a spin-off/sequel. And Maggie was not an especially
popular charactor (at least half of SFU fans seemed to relish calling
her a "sappy ferret.")

AB might as well just start from scratch and avoid the comparisons to
"After MASH" IMO. What would be the hook or advantage to run with
Maggie's spawn story?

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by notherenow

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called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you...

I think she was preggo; doesn't seem like a rep visit... The obit doesn't
mention another child but she may have kept it to herself. Hell, her father
didn't even know where she was living.

Whose obit would mention Maggie's child?

Ruth's would mention another grandchild, David's, (Keith's?), and
Claire's might have mentioned another Niece/Nephew.

[manitou]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.

I agree with all this.

She'd been seated in a chair next to a lowish side table which viewers
might mistake for a large sample container.

Whether or not Maggie had another child by Nate was deliberately left
unclear. However, given that George remained close to Ruth as her
'companion', it seems unlikely that she produced another grandchild
since there was no evidence (even fleeting) of a third grandchild in the
various final sequences.

She could have been seeing a doctor for any number of reasons.








C.

[Jordan]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie."

I respectfully disagree. There is clearly a handled case that looks like
luggage on the floor next to her. And I'm in my doctor's office several
times a month, which is rife with pharmaceutical reps---- they all know the
nurses by name, and they are called in much like Maggie was. I think she
was just back at work, and I think her job as a pharm rep was not chosen by
the writers as a vehicle for this red herring, but rather as a vehicle early
on when she first meets Ruth in the restaurant with George and brings all
the samples. I think the people who think she's pregnant are ones who are
likely to HOPE she's pg, that she was the love of Nate's life, found too
late. Bleaugh. And spin-off? No way.

I'm signing off now--- watched it for the last time last night, and now must
move on. I've seen the last episode four times, and see something new each
time. The pic on elderly Claire's wall of an old David and young Keith?
Interesting. But if I watch it any more, it will lose its magic. Some day
many years from now I'll watch the whole series from beginning to end again,
and will likely be re-amazed.

Farewell, to a series very well done, and to characters I grew to feel were
part of my life. Thank you, Alan Ball, et all. Beautiful.

[!! (Kira Dirlik)]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:29:39 GMT, "Jordan" <***@not.com> wrote:

........ I think the people who think she's pregnant are ones who are

Post by Jordan
likely to HOPE she's pg, that she was the love of Nate's life, found too
late. Bleaugh. And spin-off? No way.

I truly don't care if she is pregnant or not. I thought the ambiguity
was a nice touch, actually.
I agree..... spin-off. NO way.
Kira

[Guy Fletcher]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie."

That's exactly why I don't think Maggie was there as a patient. Nurses never
come into waiting rooms and say, "Dr. Peterson will see you now, Maggie."
What they do is stare at a clipboard and say, "Maggie Sibley!" Then you
follow them into an examination room, where you continue to wait for the
doctor. This idea of a doctor seeing you directly from the office waiting
room is antiquated, *unless* you were there for a business appointment. In
that case, it makes sense for the nurse to call you back to see the doctor.

[!! (Kira Dirlik)]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:27:23 -0400, "Guy Fletcher"
<***@adelphia.net> wrote:

The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and

Post by Guy Fletcher

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie."

That's exactly why I don't think Maggie was there as a patient. Nurses never
come into waiting rooms and say, "Dr. Peterson will see you now, Maggie."
What they do is stare at a clipboard and say, "Maggie Sibley!" Then you
follow them into an examination room, where you continue to wait for the
doctor. This idea of a doctor seeing you directly from the office waiting
room is antiquated, *unless* you were there for a business appointment. In
that case, it makes sense for the nurse to call you back to see the doctor.

That depends on the office. My doctor is in a big university clinic,
so I am called by full name by someone with a clip board (who
pronounces it barely recognizably most the time). But my dentist, and
other doctors I've seen in small offices, did have nurses that called
me like Dr. Peterson's nurse called Maggie.
And as for the previous poster, they showed Maggie after she hung up
the phone, walking from near her seat to the door where the nurse was
waiting, and she was carrying only her purse. She would not have left
the case back where she'd sat.
Kira

[PattyC]

Post by Guy Fletcher

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie."

That's exactly why I don't think Maggie was there as a patient. Nurses
never come into waiting rooms and say, "Dr. Peterson will see you now,
Maggie." What they do is stare at a clipboard and say, "Maggie Sibley!"
Then you follow them into an examination room, where you continue to wait
for the doctor. This idea of a doctor seeing you directly from the office
waiting room is antiquated, *unless* you were there for a business
appointment. In that case, it makes sense for the nurse to call you back
to see the doctor.

ITA with you.

As I have noted before, I visit MD offices frequently (very frequently).
The drug reps get called in just as noted above. The patients get called in
with, "PATTY??? PATTYC??" They wouldn't dare say the doctor will see you
now, since often the patient has a long wait back in the examining room, so
"now" isn't part of the equation. And of course part of the wait is because
the MD is currently seeing the drug rep, who is bearing gifts and drug
samples. (Which WERE in a rolling case on the floor beside Maggie's feet,
sort of to her right if she were still sitting, sort of in front of her as
she stood. I hadn't seen that until I went back and looked again after
someone mentioned it here.)

While she may have gotten pregnant from her encounter with Nate, I am
doubting Ball was trying to raise that 'ambiguity.' I think he was just
inserting her into the last show so we could have that sad look at Ruth
further processing her grief.

PattyC

[Patricia Butler]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.
Question: Could any of you big screen guys see what was on Clare's
car's bumper sticker?
Kira

This has already been remarked upon in the press, that some fans have
ERRONEOUSLY jumped to this conclusion. But Maggie is NOT pregnant,
she's NOT there for personal reasons, she DOES have a sample case with
her (it's on the floor next to her, you can see the handle if you
look), and she IS there for a sales call.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.
Question: Could any of you big screen guys see what was on Clare's
car's bumper sticker?
Kira

This has already been remarked upon in the press, that some fans have
ERRONEOUSLY jumped to this conclusion. But Maggie is NOT pregnant,
she's NOT there for personal reasons, she DOES have a sample case with
her (it's on the floor next to her, you can see the handle if you
look), and she IS there for a sales call.

It seems to me a doctor would be more likely to schedule a sales call
during an off-period, a day he doesn't see patients or at the beginning
or end of a day. (He clearly was in the midst of seeing patients when
Maggie was there.) Most of the time when I go to a doctor they're
running behind and I'm sure they'd be loath to cut into their patient
schedule to see a drug rep.

But you seem to know conclusively, so OK.

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.
Question: Could any of you big screen guys see what was on Clare's
car's bumper sticker?
Kira

This has already been remarked upon in the press, that some fans have
ERRONEOUSLY jumped to this conclusion. But Maggie is NOT pregnant,
she's NOT there for personal reasons, she DOES have a sample case with
her (it's on the floor next to her, you can see the handle if you
look), and she IS there for a sales call.

It seems to me a doctor would be more likely to schedule a sales call
during an off-period, a day he doesn't see patients or at the beginning
or end of a day. (He clearly was in the midst of seeing patients when
Maggie was there.) Most of the time when I go to a doctor they're
running behind and I'm sure they'd be loath to cut into their patient
schedule to see a drug rep.
But you seem to know conclusively, so OK.

Most of the time these calls aren't scheduled in advance. Reps stop by
and the doctor sees them as he/she is able. These calls don't usually
take more than a few minutes.

[h***@aol.com]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
Well, I just watched for the 3rd time. I think Maggie was definitely
a patient in that office (even if her job had been a pharmaceutical
rep). The nurse spoke in the voice of a nurse to a patient, and
called her Maggie in a familiar tone. "Dr. Peterson will see you
now, Maggie." Also, when she gave her rant to her father, she didn't
know where she was going and she definitely did not have a job yet, so
there is no guarantee she would have had a new position as a drug co.
rep.
In addition, that was her purse, not a brief case nor pharmaceutical
case... definitely a purse, and the only thing she was carrying.
Question: Could any of you big screen guys see what was on Clare's
car's bumper sticker?
Kira

This has already been remarked upon in the press, that some fans have
ERRONEOUSLY jumped to this conclusion. But Maggie is NOT pregnant,
she's NOT there for personal reasons, she DOES have a sample case with
her (it's on the floor next to her, you can see the handle if you
look), and she IS there for a sales call.

It seems to me a doctor would be more likely to schedule a sales call
during an off-period, a day he doesn't see patients or at the beginning
or end of a day. (He clearly was in the midst of seeing patients when
Maggie was there.) Most of the time when I go to a doctor they're
running behind and I'm sure they'd be loath to cut into their patient
schedule to see a drug rep.
But you seem to know conclusively, so OK.

I used to work for a doc and drug reps came in at all different times
of the day. They DID get called back to see the doctor just like Maggie
did in this ep. I fully believe maggie was there "for work", and not on
a personal medical visit...i.e. not pregnant.

Hudson

[!! (Kira Dirlik)]

Ok, okay, whatever. But just out of curiosity... I remember them
showing the door saying Dr. Peterson. Usually these doors will say
what kind of doctor. Did it specify his specialty in that lettering?
Kira