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Okay, Rome bored me in 38 minutes.
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Fragile Warrior
2005-08-29 01:38:54 UTC
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Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.

NEXT!
John
2005-08-29 02:55:54 UTC
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"Fragile Warrior" <***@tds.net> wrote in message news:4312660d$***@newspeer2.tds.net...
: Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
:
: NEXT!

I watched it. Not the best first show but certainly not as bad as this
poster indicates. I do know one thing . . . 38 minutes of viewing isn't
giving any show a chance to create a story arc or character development.
I'll keep an open mind for now.
manitou
2005-08-29 02:59:23 UTC
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Post by John
I watched it. Not the best first show but certainly not as bad as this
poster indicates. I do know one thing . . . 38 minutes of viewing isn't
giving any show a chance to create a story arc or character development.
I'll keep an open mind for now.
My gut reaction was the pilot did a fine job of laying the groundwork
for various key plots.

Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.












C.
Ian J. Ball
2005-08-29 22:15:48 UTC
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Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
--
"Read less. More TV." - Dr. Greg House, "House"
http://homepage.mac.com/ijball/TV-Blog/
coasterqueen
2005-08-29 22:23:09 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:15:48 GMT, "Ian J. Ball"
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
PBS' "I Claudius" was the best.

Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-29 23:30:05 UTC
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Post by coasterqueen
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:15:48 GMT, "Ian J. Ball"
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
PBS' "I Claudius" was the best.
Amen to that! Can't see anyone topping it in my lifetime.
Me
2005-08-30 02:59:10 UTC
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ROME is by the same guy who did I ,Claudius
Post by coasterqueen
PBS' "I Claudius" was the best.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
manitou
2005-08-30 13:01:00 UTC
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ROME is by the same guy who did I, Claudius
No it is not.














C.
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-30 15:24:57 UTC
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Post by Me
ROME is by the same guy who did I ,Claudius
Which guy? Certainly not the author, Robert Graves, who's long since
dead. Besides, even if someone involved in "I, Claudius" is involved in
"Rome", they're unlike to get that same incredible ensemble cast with
the great writing & great direction.
manitou
2005-08-30 00:49:46 UTC
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Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
I bailed after the pilot, though did watch the entire pilot (not just
the first 38 minutes).

Terrible writing, slap-dash production and (some) good actors totally
wasted.











C.
Harv
2005-08-30 07:22:08 UTC
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Post by manitou
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
I bailed after the pilot, though did watch the entire pilot (not just
the first 38 minutes).
Terrible writing, slap-dash production and (some) good actors totally
wasted.
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?

I didn't think so.

Harv
Nowhereman
2005-08-30 08:52:43 UTC
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[snip]
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
I didn't think so.
Harv
Well, they might have if they spoke English at all.
--
Hallowed are the Ori.
manitou
2005-08-30 12:53:06 UTC
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Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They didn't speak English at all!














C.
Stan Brown
2005-08-30 14:11:44 UTC
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Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
The upper classes did.

The proletariat spoke with American accents.

Don't you know _anything_? :-)
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"You may be the Universe's butt puppet, but I'm its right-
hand fist of fate." -- /Wonderfalls/
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-30 15:26:12 UTC
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Post by Harv
Post by manitou
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by manitou
Tremendous production (looks stunning in HDTV) and excellent acting ---
way better than the crummy swords/sandals series a few months ago on one
of the commercial networks.
"Empire", which FTR I liked (a lot).
I bailed after the pilot, though did watch the entire pilot (not just
the first 38 minutes).
Terrible writing, slap-dash production and (some) good actors totally
wasted.
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They spoke Latin (with upper class accents), but who would watch a
series all in Latin? It's the same convention as Cladius.
Mark Loy
2005-08-30 17:04:42 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They spoke Latin (with upper class accents), but who would watch a
series all in Latin?
Non Ego. Et tu?









ML
manitou
2005-08-30 17:26:01 UTC
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Post by Mark Loy
Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They spoke Latin (with upper class accents), but who would watch a
series all in Latin?
Non Ego. Et tu?
Veni...

Vidi......

Vici.........











C.
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-30 22:03:49 UTC
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Post by Mark Loy
Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They spoke Latin (with upper class accents), but who would watch a
series all in Latin?
Non Ego. Et tu?
LOL, thanks, don't often see Latin in Usenet.

So that's one, anyone else?

Seems like a pretty thin audience even for HBO, plus they would be the
additional expense of having the script translated, finding Latin
voice/accent coaches, training the actors to speak it, etc. I think
we're stuck with upper class British accents. :)
William December Starr
2005-09-06 03:53:12 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Seems like a pretty thin audience even for HBO, plus they would be
the additional expense of having the script translated, finding
Latin voice/accent coaches, training the actors to speak it, etc.
And if they did it badly, think of all the complaints they'd get
from native speakers of Latin.
--
William December Starr <***@panix.com>
e***@gmail.com
2005-09-04 13:48:48 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
They spoke Latin (with upper class accents), but who would watch a
series all in Latin? It's the same convention as Cladius.
.

"Did Romans speak with British accents" is a pretty stupid comment.
Are Romans supposed to speak with American accents????? What the hell
do you expect? They have to speak *something* and that means they have
to use accents.

troy
e***@gmail.com
2005-09-04 13:51:22 UTC
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Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
I didn't think so.
Harv
.

Stupid idiot. WHAT? You think we should watch this show in Coloquial
Latin (ancient Italian)?!?!??

Try to *think* before you post such stupidity.

troy
unclejr
2005-09-04 16:59:16 UTC
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Post by e***@gmail.com
Stupid idiot. WHAT? You think we should watch this show in Coloquial
Latin (ancient Italian)?!?!??
Try to *think* before you post such stupidity.
Relax... He was TRYING to be funny.

OTOH, I suppose that they could have had the entire series spoken in
Latin (ala The Passion of the Christ in Arameic), but then we would be
READING the show instead of watching the action unfold on the screen in
our (most of us, anyway) native tongue.

-Junior
Tina
2005-09-04 22:55:01 UTC
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Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
I didn't think so.
Post by e***@gmail.com
Stupid idiot. WHAT? You think we should watch this show in Coloquial
Latin (ancient Italian)?!?!??
Try to *think* before you post such stupidity.
Relax... He was TRYING to be funny.<snip>
How do we, at alt.tv.six-feet-under, know that? By the winkie? Harv is
hardly the comic in this group.

Tina
e***@gmail.com
2005-09-05 12:02:28 UTC
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Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
I didn't think so.
Post by e***@gmail.com
Stupid idiot. WHAT? You think we should watch this show in Coloquial
Latin (ancient Italian)?!?!? Try to *think* before you post.
Relax... He was TRYING to be funny.<snip>
How do we know that? Harv is hardly the comic in this group.
.

Harv should have posted a retraction : "Yeah, I suppose it has to be in
English. British is as good an accent choice as American or
Australian," instead of just running away.

.

Frankly, I'm surprised the BBC producers had the fore-thought to
separate upper classes from lower classes. The upper class Roman did
speak a more formal Latin/ancient Italian than the common man. That's
a nice touch.

troy
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-05 23:31:26 UTC
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Post by e***@gmail.com
Post by Harv
Did people in Ancient Rome speak with British accents?
I didn't think so.
Post by e***@gmail.com
Stupid idiot. WHAT? You think we should watch this show in Coloquial
Latin (ancient Italian)?!?!? Try to *think* before you post.
Relax... He was TRYING to be funny.<snip>
How do we know that? Harv is hardly the comic in this group.
Harv should have posted a retraction : "Yeah, I suppose it has to be in
English. British is as good an accent choice as American or
Australian," instead of just running away.
Frankly, I'm surprised the BBC producers had the fore-thought to
separate upper classes from lower classes.
Dude, the English are extremely class conscious. This could have been a
natural result and not carefully thought out beforehand. ;)
Tina
2005-09-06 16:57:59 UTC
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<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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Post by e***@gmail.com
Frankly, I'm surprised the BBC producers had the fore-thought to
separate upper classes from lower classes. The upper class Roman did
speak a more formal Latin/ancient Italian than the common man. That's
a nice touch.
Hmmmm...I did notice it, I pointed it out to someone while watching
it..."Besides the tatty clothes, we can tell they are lower class due to
their working-class London accents" I touted.

Okay, some thoughts...<spoilers if you haven't seen episode 2>
Are we to conclude that the baby of (I swear I can't recall the names!) that
soldier's daughter is really his wife's because she was breastfeeding it?
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill the beans?

Also, during one conversation, belief was totally suspended when the guy
said in referring to slaves "You fatten those puppies up and you'll get a
good price for them". "Those puppies"? Isn't that a newish term?

Hey, History Channel has a great Rome doc on last night, very interesting,
too bad I fell asleep. That Labor Day is hard work! ;)

Tina
Trying to get into the new series...
manitou
2005-09-06 17:37:35 UTC
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Post by Tina
Post by e***@gmail.com
Frankly, I'm surprised the BBC producers had the fore-thought to
separate upper classes from lower classes. The upper class Roman did
speak a more formal Latin/ancient Italian than the common man. That's
a nice touch.
Hmmmm...I did notice it, I pointed it out to someone while watching
it..."Besides the tatty clothes, we can tell they are lower class due to
their working-class London accents" I touted.
Okay, some thoughts...<spoilers if you haven't seen episode 2>
Are we to conclude that the baby of (I swear I can't recall the names!) that
soldier's daughter is really his wife's because she was breastfeeding it?
Presumably.
Post by Tina
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill the beans?
Poetic license......
Post by Tina
Also, during one conversation, belief was totally suspended when the guy
said in referring to slaves "You fatten those puppies up and you'll get a
good price for them". "Those puppies"? Isn't that a newish term?
Maybe not in Latin.

(This scene reminded me of Scarlett O'Hara giving the new overseer a
"free hand" in dealing with prisoner labor.)

The writing does have a contemporary edge, though so far this is consistent.

I'm enjoying it.

BTW, IINM no one has commented on the similarities between the opening
title sequence and that for "Carnivale".








C.
!! (Kira Dirlik)
2005-09-06 17:57:34 UTC
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Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Are we to conclude that the baby of (I swear I can't recall the names!) that
soldier's daughter is really his wife's because she was breastfeeding it?
Presumably.
I thought Definitely! It was, "oooohhhh, plot is thickening". It
would have to be an entire neighborhood conspiracy to keep it secret.
And obviously her daughter and the son-in-law-to-be would have to
eternally play that role.
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Also, during one conversation, belief was totally suspended when the guy
said in referring to slaves "You fatten those puppies up and you'll get a
good price for them". "Those puppies"? Isn't that a newish term?
That really turned me off! It was just SO currently "in".
Post by manitou
I'm enjoying it.
I had to kind of force myself to watch the second ep, but I think I
will be getting into it more with each ep. An earlier poster (ooops,
I see above that this is cross-posted between 3 groups. Bummer.
Well, I am reading it in 6FU, so that is the only one I am sending it
to.) listed a bunch of historical names present, with several folks
expressing surprise at someone with a very long name beginning with V.
I didn't notice who that was.
I really like both the guys who rescued the kid (pompous little
prick). Yes, getting to be very interesting.
Post by manitou
BTW, IINM no one has commented on the similarities between the opening
title sequence and that for "Carnivale".
I am very impressed with the opening... beautiful! Roman graffiti,
and magically presented. I wonder if they have found real examples of
Roman graffiti. I also loved the opening, and music, to Carnivale
and never tired of it, but I didn't especially make the connection
between the two.
Kira
Tina
2005-09-07 00:41:23 UTC
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Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
I am very impressed with the opening... beautiful! Roman graffiti,
and magically presented. I wonder if they have found real examples of
Roman graffiti. I also loved the opening, and music, to Carnivale
and never tired of it, but I didn't especially make the connection
between the two.
Ouuu, yeah. I liked the opening, too.

Tina
Anthony Cerrato
2005-09-06 20:14:31 UTC
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snippage
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Are we to conclude that the baby of (I swear I can't
recall the names!) that
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
soldier's daughter is really his wife's because she was
breastfeeding it?
Post by manitou
Presumably.
Yeah, I think so.
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill the
beans?
Post by manitou
Poetic license......
Who's gonna tell? Not the daddy (who is clearly not the
young boy)...not the other daughter (she's too in love with
the boy and they obviously all trumped up the story from the
start)-- so who else would know?
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Also, during one conversation, belief was totally
suspended when the guy
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
said in referring to slaves "You fatten those puppies up
and you'll get a
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
good price for them". "Those puppies"? Isn't that a
newish term?
Post by manitou
Maybe not in Latin.
C'mon, that's like the same argument as doing the show in
Latin--and, after all, we do speak colloquial English
here...isn't it a good idea to use same for routine
communication here, even on TV?
Post by manitou
(This scene reminded me of Scarlett O'Hara giving the new
overseer a
Post by manitou
"free hand" in dealing with prisoner labor.)
The writing does have a contemporary edge, though so far
this is consistent.
Post by manitou
I'm enjoying it.
BTW, IINM no one has commented on the similarities between
the opening
Post by manitou
title sequence and that for "Carnivale".
You're right, I meant to but forgot. It's actually
excellent, definitely as good as Carnivale's, maybe even
better 'cause of the animation...and the great graffiti
everywhere. Nice touches.
Post by manitou
C.
Tina
2005-09-07 00:43:47 UTC
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"Anthony Cerrato"<snip>
Post by Tina
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill the
beans?
Post by manitou
Poetic license......
Who's gonna tell? Not the daddy (who is clearly not the
young boy)...not the other daughter (she's too in love with
the boy and they obviously all trumped up the story from the
start)-- so who else would know?
The neighbors?

Tina
Anthony Cerrato
2005-09-07 03:28:09 UTC
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Post by Tina
"Anthony Cerrato"<snip>
Post by Tina
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill
the
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
beans?
Post by manitou
Poetic license......
Who's gonna tell? Not the daddy (who is clearly not the
young boy)...not the other daughter (she's too in love
with
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
the boy and they obviously all trumped up the story from
the
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
start)-- so who else would know?
The neighbors?
Tina
Rumors, Rumors, Rumors! Besides, she can plead the Vth!
(Sorry for that, I just had to. :)) ) ...tonyC
Tina
2005-09-07 04:33:52 UTC
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Post by Anthony Cerrato
Post by Tina
"Anthony Cerrato"<snip>
Post by Tina
Post by manitou
Post by Tina
Isn't it going to be too easy for someone to spill
the
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
beans?
Post by manitou
Poetic license......
Who's gonna tell? Not the daddy (who is clearly not the
young boy)...not the other daughter (she's too in love
with
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
the boy and they obviously all trumped up the story from
the
Post by Tina
Post by Tina
start)-- so who else would know?
The neighbors?
Tina
Rumors, Rumors, Rumors! Besides, she can plead the Vth!
(Sorry for that, I just had to. :)) ) ...tonyC
LOL!

Tina
tigercat
2005-08-29 03:02:44 UTC
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hey, it wasn't built in a day, ya know :-)
Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
NEXT!
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-29 03:15:10 UTC
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Post by tigercat
hey, it wasn't built in a day, ya know :-)
<SNERK!>
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-29 12:59:45 UTC
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Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
I didn't last that long, in spite of the copious nudity. I think I
started to wander around the house after 20 minutes.
b***@yahoo.com
2005-08-29 14:48:28 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
I didn't last that long, in spite of the copious nudity. I think I
started to wander around the house after 20 minutes.
I gave up on it after 10 minutes. I'm not much for Gladiator dramas. So
I gave a few minutes and decided if it hooked me in I'd watch it. Now,
if I hear it's amazing and everyone's talking about it, I'll catch up
via Ondemand.

I flipped over to "Romey & Michelle's High School Reunion" instead!
c***@webtv.net
2005-08-30 16:20:22 UTC
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have some patience people.
if you can't sit still for a short hour,
something is wrong.



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notherenow
2005-08-30 19:38:32 UTC
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Post by c***@webtv.net
have some patience people.
if you can't sit still for a short hour,
something is wrong.
As in, we've got other things to do?
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J.D. Baldwin
2005-08-29 16:54:11 UTC
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Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
Well, about 20 minutes in, I started dividing my attention between the
TV and the computer (I had a couple of short work emails to get out),
something I would never have done during Six Feet Under, even a boring
episode. I'll tune in next week, but I'm not optimistic.

There was a great, waggish review in the NYT that someone posted over
in alt.tv.hbo. It's worth reading just for the description of Max
Pirkis as "Doogie Howser, B.C."
--
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_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / ***@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
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unclejr
2005-08-29 17:02:32 UTC
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Post by J.D. Baldwin
There was a great, waggish review in the NYT that someone posted over
in alt.tv.hbo. It's worth reading just for the description of Max
Pirkis as "Doogie Howser, B.C."
I have to agree that Pirkis looks like a dead ringer for Doogie Howser!
I wish that I would have thought of that first. Anyway, here's one
from the NY Sun:

----
August 26, 2005 Edition > Section: Arts and Letters
NY Sun

Not Built in a Day

By DAVID BLUM
August 26, 2005

"I shall be a good politician, even if it kills me," declares a defiant

Mark Antony in the midst of the mayhem that has developed by Episode 6
of "Rome," HBO's ambitious and addictive new series set in 52 B.C.
Speaking a little more directly to the point, Anthony adds with a sly
smile: "Or if it kills anyone else, for that matter." By its sixth
hour, "Rome" resembles HBO's signature series, "The Sopranos," in its
characters' predilection for egregious violence. A moneylender has,
only moments earlier, commanded the soldier Lucius Vorenus - one of the

show's two central figures and not prone to acts of senseless brutality

- to break the arm of a man who has not paid his bills. Frighteningly,
the parallels between ancient Rome and contemporary New Jersey grow all

too apparent when it comes to matters of money.

"Rome" defines the peculiar and unique nature of television in the way
it builds slowly but with precision and skill over a period of weeks;
viewers (or critics) who expect a show like "Rome" to take off like a
rocket haven't been watching much television lately. The first three
episodes take their time in establishing the oddities of this ancient
world - its bawdy sexuality, its rampant killing, its obsession with
political intrigue. Audiences will need to be patient and attentive -
but if they can manage it, the rewards begin to flower in Episode 3 and

reach a frenzy by Episode 6. By that time the lines of battle have been

clearly drawn over the future of this fabled Republic, and it doesn't
matter that we already know who won.

The main storyline - at least in the first season of this co-production

of HBO and the BBC - concerns the machinations over control of Rome,
mostly between Julius Caesar, the great soldier who has returned
victorious in his conquest of Gaul, and Pompey Magnus, his friend who
controls the Roman Senate. But unlike this summer's earlier, vastly
inferior ABC miniseries, "Empire," on virtually the same topic, "Rome"
defines its mission through two ordinary men: the soldiers Lucius
Vorenus and Titus Pullo, who bridge the chasm between Rome's ruling
class and its downtrodden masses, and in doing so give the story a
stunning human dimension. One a drunken lout and the other a struggling

family man, Vorenus and Pullo manage to maneuver themselves into the
front lines of history.

But for those who find Vorenus and Pullo a tired device (and it does
become one at times) the same will never be said of Atia - Caesar's
sultry niece, and love interest to Mark Antony, among several others -
who steals "Rome" blind. The flame haired British actress Polly Walker
ignites every scene of "Rome" she's in; in one episode she's offering
her daughter as a wife to Pompey, in another she delivers a naked man
with a large penis (politely tied with a green bow) to Servilia,
Caesar's mistress. "Who doesn't like a large penis?" she asks of no one

in particular. That's the kind of rhetorical question that keeps "Rome"

humming. Ms. Walker's fearless performance (including scenes of full
frontal nudity) will engage audiences long after they've grown bored
with the polemical debates over governance and power. It's hard to
imagine Laurence Olivier spitting out a cherry pit with more panache
than Polly Walker.

The name you'll most remember from the credits of "Rome"(done memorably

in graffiti lettering) is that of Bruno Heller, a previously obscure
television writer who's responsible for the first six episodes - a
remarkable balancing act, given the complexity of his story and the
vast number of characters and threads. Mr. Heller (helped by co-creator

John Milius, the famed screenwriter of "Apocalypse Now" and "Dirty
Harry") has concocted a world - and several subcultures surviving
alongside one another - unlike any ever depicted on a weekly television

series, and not just because of its coarseness and vulgarity. (And
those are compliments.) It's an amazing achievement to have created a
universe so dependent on intrigue; remarkably little actually happens
here, and that's one of the show's enduring pleasures. Like "The
Sopranos," the tension mounts slowly but inexorably - and with just
enough sex and bloodshed to keep us attached to its underlying and
intellectually stimulating premise.

What "Rome" lacks, at least so far, is a villain to root for; no star
turns here rival the thunderous presence of James Gandolfini in "The
Sopranos," or even Ian McShane in "Deadwood." The earnest behavior of
Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo starts to grate after a while; it's like

focusing a mob story on the hired goons. The performances of Ciaran
Hinds as Julius Caesar and Kenneth Cranham as Pompey Magnus lack the
necessary charms; James Purefoy brings some edge to the role of Mark
Antony, but not enough to compensate. Of far more interest is Max
Pirkis as Octavian, Atia's teenage son, who's likely to become a
central player in future episodes - he's a cunning killer in training,
and fun to watch. Sadly, with the exception of Polly Walker, the women
of "Rome" are as dull as they are beautiful; never have so many olive
skinned young actresses with copious black ringlets appeared together
in a single series.

Is "Rome" a show audiences should embrace? This is the kind of series
that vexes critics who vote with their thumbs, and who have already
shown an inclination to dismiss it as a noble failure. While at times
it may seem ploddingly dull, at others it's impossible not to be
exhilarated by the show's spectacular depiction of Rome in all its
wretchedness. The sight of brain surgery being performed without
anesthesia will repel some and amaze others, as will the seemingly
endless (and sometimes gratuitous) scenes of graphic sex and brutality.

At times even the sex scenes - as shockingly frequent as they are - may

seem superfluous sops to an audience that producers fear will become
bored by the endless gabbing about politics, power, and war. But most
of the time, the creative team behind "Rome" (its directors include
"Coal Miner's Daughter's" Michael Apted, Allen Coulter of "The
Sopranos" and "Six Feet Under's" Alan Poul) create an air of
verisimilitude that's astonishing for a television series set in a
world lit only by fire. Audiences who flip away during its most
discomfiting moments would be well advised to take a deep breath and
turn the channel right back to "Rome," or risk missing a great new
series in the making.
----

I liked it.

-Junior
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-01 16:08:48 UTC
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Post by J.D. Baldwin
There was a great, waggish review in the NYT that someone posted over
in alt.tv.hbo. It's worth reading just for the description of Max
Pirkis as "Doogie Howser, B.C."
I have to agree that Pirkis looks like a dead ringer for Doogie Howser!
I wish that I would have thought of that first. Anyway, here's one
----
August 26, 2005 Edition > Section: Arts and Letters
NY Sun
Not Built in a Day
By DAVID BLUM
August 26, 2005
"I shall be a good politician, even if it kills me," declares a defiant
Mark Antony in the midst of the mayhem that has developed by Episode 6
of "Rome," HBO's ambitious and addictive new series set in 52 B.C.
Speaking a little more directly to the point, Anthony adds with a sly
smile: "Or if it kills anyone else, for that matter." By its sixth
hour, "Rome" resembles HBO's signature series, "The Sopranos," in its
characters' predilection for egregious violence. A moneylender has,
only moments earlier, commanded the soldier Lucius Vorenus - one of the
show's two central figures and not prone to acts of senseless brutality
- to break the arm of a man who has not paid his bills. Frighteningly,
the parallels between ancient Rome and contemporary New Jersey grow all
too apparent when it comes to matters of money.
<snip>
Post by unclejr
At times even the sex scenes - as shockingly frequent as they are - may
seem superfluous sops to an audience that producers fear will become
bored by the endless gabbing about politics, power, and war. But most
of the time, the creative team behind "Rome" (its directors include
"Coal Miner's Daughter's" Michael Apted, Allen Coulter of "The
Sopranos" and "Six Feet Under's" Alan Poul) create an air of
verisimilitude that's astonishing for a television series set in a
world lit only by fire. Audiences who flip away during its most
discomfiting moments would be well advised to take a deep breath and
turn the channel right back to "Rome," or risk missing a great new
series in the making.
----
I liked it.
-Junior
Well, if Corrado Soprano liked it, I guess I'll give "Rome" a 2nd look. ;)
!! (Kira Dirlik)
2005-09-01 16:47:46 UTC
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The real test for me is that I'm not interested in watching Rome a
second time this week (but I will, just in case I do get hooked
later).
I watched the pilot of Prison Break. That looks like it could get
interesting, but if it goes on and on and on and they never get to
break out, it will get old fast. Yet, if they do, that would kind of
be the end of the show.
I was hooked on LOST from day one. I missed the first year of 6FU but
my son talked it up. I then subscribed to HBO and caught up when they
did the repeats.
I am as excited to see 4400 and LOST and Deadwood a second time, as I
am the first. And OOOHHHH how I miss Carnivale! That topped the
list.
Kira
Me
2005-08-30 03:00:26 UTC
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I can say the same for >many< episodes of SFU the past 3 seasons
Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
NEXT!
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-30 14:34:06 UTC
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Post by Me
I can say the same for >many< episodes of SFU the past 3 seasons
It's different, though, if they already have you hooked. If they can't hook
me on the first epi, then I'm not staying around. I swear to God that
Deadwood hooked me in the first few minutes. I had no intention of watching
a western but hadn't grabbed the remote fast enough. Now I'm a devoted
fan -- during the good AND bad episodes. But if the first episode is bad
(TO ME, okay?) then I'm unlikely to give it a return try.
Me
2005-08-31 01:30:50 UTC
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I watched the very first episode of The Sopranos when it originally aired ,
I wasn't impressed. It was "OK", but I didn't watch the entire episode. The
next week when it was on, I happened to catch it again ... by the third
episode I was hooked.

The Sopranos didn't have any hype except for a few promos on HBO when it
first aired. SFU had a lot of hype, it was billed as the "next Sopranos"
before the first episode. I probably wouldn't have watched the show if there
hadn't been the hype comparing it to Sopranos.

now everything on HBO is expected to be "The next Sopranos"
Post by Fragile Warrior
Post by Me
I can say the same for >many< episodes of SFU the past 3 seasons
It's different, though, if they already have you hooked. If they can't
hook me on the first epi, then I'm not staying around. I swear to God
that Deadwood hooked me in the first few minutes. I had no intention of
watching a western but hadn't grabbed the remote fast enough. Now I'm a
devoted fan -- during the good AND bad episodes. But if the first episode
is bad (TO ME, okay?) then I'm unlikely to give it a return try.
b***@yahoo.com
2005-08-31 15:40:39 UTC
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Post by Me
I watched the very first episode of The Sopranos when it originally aired ,
I wasn't impressed. It was "OK", but I didn't watch the entire episode. The
next week when it was on, I happened to catch it again ... by the third
episode I was hooked.
The Sopranos didn't have any hype except for a few promos on HBO when it
first aired.
Here in New York City you couldn't escape the hype when sopranos first
aired, billboards on buses, phone booths, Subway ads, everywhere. I
didn't even have HBO at the time and I was like, "enough already!"

maybe they just saturate NYC and figure the rest of the country will
follow?

SFU had a lot of hype, it was billed as the "next Sopranos"
Post by Me
before the first episode. I probably wouldn't have watched the show if there
hadn't been the hype comparing it to Sopranos.
now everything on HBO is expected to be "The next Sopranos"
Post by Fragile Warrior
Post by Me
I can say the same for >many< episodes of SFU the past 3 seasons
It's different, though, if they already have you hooked. If they can't
hook me on the first epi, then I'm not staying around. I swear to God
that Deadwood hooked me in the first few minutes. I had no intention of
watching a western but hadn't grabbed the remote fast enough. Now I'm a
devoted fan -- during the good AND bad episodes. But if the first episode
is bad (TO ME, okay?) then I'm unlikely to give it a return try.
Me
2005-08-31 15:54:19 UTC
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You sure that was the first airing of the Sopranos, back in March '99 I
think it was when it first aired Sundays at 8pm

I remember alot of promotion on HBO for it, but nothing compared to the
level of SFU or ROME... I don't even think Deadwood has been promoted as
much
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Post by Me
I watched the very first episode of The Sopranos when it originally aired ,
I wasn't impressed. It was "OK", but I didn't watch the entire episode.
The
next week when it was on, I happened to catch it again ... by the third
episode I was hooked.
The Sopranos didn't have any hype except for a few promos on HBO when it
first aired.
Here in New York City you couldn't escape the hype when sopranos first
aired, billboards on buses, phone booths, Subway ads, everywhere. I
didn't even have HBO at the time and I was like, "enough already!"
maybe they just saturate NYC and figure the rest of the country will
follow?
SFU had a lot of hype, it was billed as the "next Sopranos"
Post by Me
before the first episode. I probably wouldn't have watched the show if there
hadn't been the hype comparing it to Sopranos.
now everything on HBO is expected to be "The next Sopranos"
Post by Fragile Warrior
Post by Me
I can say the same for >many< episodes of SFU the past 3 seasons
It's different, though, if they already have you hooked. If they can't
hook me on the first epi, then I'm not staying around. I swear to God
that Deadwood hooked me in the first few minutes. I had no intention of
watching a western but hadn't grabbed the remote fast enough. Now I'm a
devoted fan -- during the good AND bad episodes. But if the first episode
is bad (TO ME, okay?) then I'm unlikely to give it a return try.
w***@gmail.com
2005-08-31 18:34:40 UTC
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Post by Me
You sure that was the first airing of the Sopranos, back in March '99 I
think it was when it first aired Sundays at 8pm
I remember alot of promotion on HBO for it, but nothing compared to the
level of SFU or ROME... I don't even think Deadwood has been promoted as
much
I think I remember watching it in Feburary of 99.
coasterqueen
2005-08-31 23:01:59 UTC
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Post by Me
You sure that was the first airing of the Sopranos, back in March '99 I
think it was when it first aired Sundays at 8pm
I remember alot of promotion on HBO for it, but nothing compared to the
level of SFU or ROME... I don't even think Deadwood has been promoted as
much
And I've never seen promotion of "The Wire", which is an excellent
series.

Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
c***@webtv.net
2005-08-30 16:17:09 UTC
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Rome is probably HBOS' next hit.

It is history brought back to life.
It is very interesting to see history
come to life.

Thank goodness we have HBO to create shows like this to save us from the
ordinary sit-coms and reality shows that are on network tv.

Six feet unders final show was magnificent. The finished on top,
and should receive many awards.

The new Deadwood should be good too.
That is american history revisited.

Charles
Michigan



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Fragile Warrior
2005-08-30 16:30:49 UTC
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Post by c***@webtv.net
Rome is probably HBOS' next hit.
THIS from the webbie genius who doesn't know basic netiquette. DO NOT send
me any more emails, webbie. I don't take advice from ijjits.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Okay, Rome bored me in 38 minutes.
Post by c***@webtv.net
go back and rewatch it
notherenow
2005-08-30 19:43:25 UTC
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Post by c***@webtv.net
Rome is probably HBOS' next hit.
Yeah, they are working hard to convince us of that.
Post by c***@webtv.net
It is history brought back to life.
It is very interesting to see history
come to life.
Well, its more like HBO's enactment of one interpretation of
History.
Post by c***@webtv.net
Thank goodness we have HBO to create shows like this to save us from the
ordinary sit-coms and reality shows that are on network tv.
I've Tivo'd it but have not had the wherewithall to watch it
yet. The commercials are off putting to me... and if the show plays it
as the commercials indicate, I'll probably won't record it again.
Post by c***@webtv.net
Six feet unders final show was magnificent. The finished on top,
and should receive many awards.
The new Deadwood should be good too.
That is american history revisited.
Maybe so, you probably know better than I. From what little I've
seen of it, I took it as a stylistic interpretation from a 21st century
perspective rather than a study of history.
Post by c***@webtv.net
Charles
Michigan
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Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-30 22:05:01 UTC
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Post by c***@webtv.net
Rome is probably HBOS' next hit.
It is history brought back to life.
It is very interesting to see history
come to life.
If you believe "Rome" is history, I have a bridge you're just going to
love, plus some lovely waterfront property in Florida.
rick++
2005-08-31 14:09:43 UTC
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I was quite dry, but full of detail.
"I-Claudius" which starts when Rome ends,
had humor and quirky characters. That was
more interesting.
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-01 07:29:10 UTC
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Post by rick++
I was quite dry, but full of detail.
"I-Claudius" which starts when Rome ends,
had humor and quirky characters.
What? What do you means by "when Rome ends"? "I, Claudius" begins when
Augustus is emperor and he succeeded "the divine Julius" after his
assassination in 44 BC. Augustus ruled until 14 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
2005-09-02 18:57:15 UTC
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Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
Finally got to see this last night. After all the reviews, I was a
little worried. But I thought it was great! And it's great to
see all those characters that everyone knows so well ... Julius, Pompey
Augustus, Brutus, Antony, Cicero! And even Vercingetorix (though I doubt
we'll see much of him) I hadn't realised the series would deal
with actual historical figures ... I had assumed it would be set in
the roman era, but with other characters.

Nick
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-03 01:44:02 UTC
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick
Post by Fragile Warrior
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long.
Finally got to see this last night. After all the reviews, I was a
little worried. But I thought it was great! And it's great to
see all those characters that everyone knows so well ... Julius, Pompey
Augustus, Brutus, Antony, Cicero! And even Vercingetorix (though I doubt
we'll see much of him) I hadn't realised the series would deal
with actual historical figures ... I had assumed it would be set in
the roman era, but with other characters.
Did you not expect to see Caesar (Julius), Antony, Brutus, Augustus, etc.?

I was surprised to see Vercingetorix as well - definitely not an A list
character in the swords & sandals epics.
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
2005-09-03 14:56:43 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Did you not expect to see Caesar (Julius), Antony, Brutus, Augustus, etc.?
No. I watch ER, and I don't expect to see the mayor of Chicago. I watch
JAG and I don't exect to see George Bush. Some of the material I saw a year
or so ago implied that it would focus on some behind the scenes characters,
so I had assumed we wouldn't really see known people at all, or only
fleetingly. I was pleasantly surprised!!

Nick
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-04 04:40:41 UTC
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick
Post by Sparky Spartacus
Did you not expect to see Caesar (Julius), Antony, Brutus, Augustus, etc.?
No. I watch ER, and I don't expect to see the mayor of Chicago. I watch
JAG and I don't exect to see George Bush. Some of the material I saw a year
or so ago implied that it would focus on some behind the scenes characters,
so I had assumed we wouldn't really see known people at all, or only
fleetingly. I was pleasantly surprised!!
Vercingetorix is the mayor of Chicago? Cool!

The things you learn on Usenet. ;)
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
2005-09-05 21:01:02 UTC
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Post by Sparky Spartacus
Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick
Post by Sparky Spartacus
Did you not expect to see Caesar (Julius), Antony, Brutus, Augustus, etc.?
No. I watch ER, and I don't expect to see the mayor of Chicago. I watch
JAG and I don't exect to see George Bush. Some of the material I saw a year
or so ago implied that it would focus on some behind the scenes characters,
so I had assumed we wouldn't really see known people at all, or only
fleetingly. I was pleasantly surprised!!
Vercingetorix is the mayor of Chicago? Cool!
The things you learn on Usenet. ;)
Uh, perhaps you'd like to explain how you drew that conclusion from that
post, cause me ... I'm not seeing it.

Nick
e***@gmail.com
2005-09-04 21:31:24 UTC
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subject - Okay, Rome bored me in 38 minutes.
Maybe less. But I stuck it out that long. NEXT!
.

Well *I* liked it. The closest parallel I can think of:

The West Wing - but not the American Republic - It's the West Wing in
the Roman Republic. Lots of politics & power-players struggling for
dominance to push forward their own policies.

troy
TV
2005-09-07 01:40:23 UTC
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I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.

Servants watching and everything?!

Theresa
manitou
2005-09-07 03:13:37 UTC
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Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
Reminded me of the orgy in "EYES WIDE SHUT".















C.
Rich
2005-09-07 04:20:33 UTC
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Post by manitou
Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
Reminded me of the orgy in "EYES WIDE SHUT".
Nothing could have been that silly.
-Rich
manitou
2005-09-07 13:47:15 UTC
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Post by Rich
Post by manitou
Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
Reminded me of the orgy in "EYES WIDE SHUT".
Nothing could have been that silly.
Perhaps Tom Cruise will make a surprise guest appearance?











C.
Tina
2005-09-07 04:34:50 UTC
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Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.

Tina
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-07 04:31:48 UTC
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Post by Tina
Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.
Why?
Tina
2005-09-07 16:33:57 UTC
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Post by Tina
Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.
Why?
Because we tend to think of "olden" times (Victorian) as being repressive.
Roman times were longer ago than that.

Tina
e***@gmail.com
2005-09-07 16:41:48 UTC
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"Sparky Spartacus"
Post by Tina
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.
Why?
Because we tend to think of "olden" times (Victorian) as being repressive.
Roman times were longer ago than that.
Tina
.

Yes but repression came from Christian Catholicism and inquisitions.
The Roman Republic predates that. Christianity did not start to affect
daily Roman morals until ~300 years after this HBO show (when the
Temple of Vestus closed its doors & extinguished Rome's eternal flame).

troy
Nicholas Fitzpatrick
2005-09-07 16:52:32 UTC
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Post by Tina
Post by Tina
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.
Why?
Because we tend to think of "olden" times (Victorian) as being repressive.
Roman times were longer ago than that.
Relatively recent times were repressive, but I always had the thought that
the roman period was very over the top. It's hard to not think roman when
you hear the word orgy. And with all the stories about the emperors ...
Caligula comes to mind.

Nick
Sparky Spartacus
2005-09-08 01:42:19 UTC
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Post by Tina
Post by Tina
Post by TV
I thought the fucking was cool. With the exception of seeing that young
lass paired off with that old sot. Thank God there wasn't too much of
that.
Servants watching and everything?!
It was BC...so hard to understand the sexual freedom.
Why?
Because we tend to think of "olden" times (Victorian) as being repressive.
Roman times were longer ago than that.
Ah, Victorian times do represent repressed sexuality (only in public, of
course!). The Romans were known for their libertine ways - orgies aren't
called "Roman orgies" for nothing. ;)

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