Yeah, Deadwood fanatics...it's all over. Cocksuckers.

[Mottola/w Snakes On A Plane And Mickie James]

May 18, 2006 -- HBO's decision against holding the "Deadwood" cast to their
contracts for a fourth season was a business decision the show's creator
finds frustrating, but also understands.
"How [expletive deleted] is it that we're not coming back"? asked the show's
creator and executive producer, David Milch, on the phone from Los Angeles
this week.

With fans of the critically acclaimed western series gearing up for the
start of the third season June 11, HBO last week decided not to pick up
contractual options that would have obligated the cast to hold off on
scheduling outside work that would have interfered with the production of a
fourth season of "Deadwood."

The move effectively puts the kibosh on a fourth season, which likely would
have begun production this fall.

"If I were a betting man, which I am, I would say the odds are against
["Deadwood" returning]," Milch said.

As he interprets the situation, HBO's decision was based on financial
considerations that weighed the advantages of continuing with "Deadwood"
against the benefits of funding other series - both new and continuing.

"A whole bunch of other development was going on and it was a finite fiscal
universe," Milch said, "and they just couldn't push the button at that time
for a full slate."

As a result, he said, "It was not responsible to hold [the cast] any
longer."

"I guess inadvertently I was part of the equation in that I had believed
that ["Deadwood" had] been picked up and I had also given them the script of
a new pilot which they wanted to proceed with," said Milch, referring to a
new series with the tentative title, "John from Cincinnati," reportedly a
drama about surfing. HBO has ordered a pilot for "John" but has not yet made
a decision about ordering a series, Milch said.

Milch said his biggest fear is that some viewers - especially those thinking
about watching for the first time - might not want to get involved in
watching the third season when they know it will be the series' last.

"It would break my heart if this sort of foreknowledge on the part of the
audience of what has happened [behind the scenes] casts a shadow on their
experience of these 12 episodes to come," Milch said.

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[Dano]

Post by Mottola/w Snakes On A Plane And Mickie James
As he interprets the situation, HBO's decision was based on financial
considerations that weighed the advantages of continuing with "Deadwood"
against the benefits of funding other series - both new and continuing.
"A whole bunch of other development was going on and it was a finite
fiscal universe," Milch said, "and they just couldn't push the button at
that time for a full slate."
As a result, he said, "It was not responsible to hold [the cast] any
longer."
"I guess inadvertently I was part of the equation in that I had believed
that ["Deadwood" had] been picked up and I had also given them the script
of a new pilot which they wanted to proceed with," said Milch, referring
to a new series with the tentative title, "John from Cincinnati,"
reportedly a drama about surfing. HBO has ordered a pilot for "John" but
has not yet made a decision about ordering a series, Milch said.
Milch said his biggest fear is that some viewers - especially those
thinking about watching for the first time - might not want to get
involved in watching the third season when they know it will be the
series' last.
"It would break my heart if this sort of foreknowledge on the part of the
audience of what has happened [behind the scenes] casts a shadow on their
experience of these 12 episodes to come," Milch said.

It sure sounds to me like it was Milch himself who caused this to happen.
Seems he's trying to have it both ways. He has his new project...HBO can't
afford to pay the Deadwood cast while he does other things. I think we'd
all agree that without his total involvement the show would no longer be
Deadwood. Milch just doesn't want to lose viewership while being a lame
duck series I guess. I don't care for the way he has handled this at all.
Well I can certainly understand how enticing a show about a surfer from
Cincinnati would be...cocksucker!

[Buster]

Post by Dano

Post by Mottola/w Snakes On A Plane And Mickie James
As he interprets the situation, HBO's decision was based on financial
considerations that weighed the advantages of continuing with
"Deadwood" against the benefits of funding other series - both new and
continuing.
"A whole bunch of other development was going on and it was a finite
fiscal universe," Milch said, "and they just couldn't push the button
at that time for a full slate."
As a result, he said, "It was not responsible to hold [the cast] any longer."
"I guess inadvertently I was part of the equation in that I had
believed that ["Deadwood" had] been picked up and I had also given them
the script of a new pilot which they wanted to proceed with," said
Milch, referring to a new series with the tentative title, "John from
Cincinnati," reportedly a drama about surfing. HBO has ordered a pilot
for "John" but has not yet made a decision about ordering a series,
Milch said.
Milch said his biggest fear is that some viewers - especially those
thinking about watching for the first time - might not want to get
involved in watching the third season when they know it will be the
series' last.
"It would break my heart if this sort of foreknowledge on the part of
the audience of what has happened [behind the scenes] casts a shadow on
their experience of these 12 episodes to come," Milch said.

It sure sounds to me like it was Milch himself who caused this to
happen. Seems he's trying to have it both ways. He has his new
project...HBO can't afford to pay the Deadwood cast while he does other
things. I think we'd all agree that without his total involvement the
show would no longer be Deadwood. Milch just doesn't want to lose
viewership while being a lame duck series I guess. I don't care for
the way he has handled this at all. Well I can certainly understand how
enticing a show about a surfer from Cincinnati would be...cocksucker!

I might have to agree with you now.

[c***@gmail.com]

Meh...That show was garbage anyway.

Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

[Stu Gotz]

Post by c***@gmail.com
Meh...That show was garbage anyway.
Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

Yeh, whaddya know....cocksucker.....

[Crowfoot]

Post by c***@gmail.com
Meh...That show was garbage anyway.
Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

Hear, hear. Milch grafted his own modern gutter experience onto a
grunge-fantasy of the old West and sold it on dirty language, completely
unaware that even the lowdown folks of those days were more eloquent and
less potty-mouthed than moderns are; they all cut their linguistic
teeth, through literature or hearing sermons and other public speaking
of the time, on the Bible, and those speech rhythms and patterns
permeated their own spoken language. People on the frontier brought
their educations, whatever they were, with them, and spoke from them,
not from the L.A. gutter. A good western novel, though old now, that
gives an idea of the language of the times is "The Road to Socorro",
reprinted as "The Hell-bent Kid", by an author whose name I should
remember, but age and time prevent it. Read Mark Twain, for God's sake;
he knew and reported that type of rural language, and it was NOT modern
drug-culture speak. I'm glad to see this show go.

C.

[Buster]

Post by Crowfoot

Post by c***@gmail.com
Meh...That show was garbage anyway.
Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

Hear, hear. Milch grafted his own modern gutter experience onto a
grunge-fantasy of the old West and sold it on dirty language,
completely unaware that even the lowdown folks of those days were more
eloquent and less potty-mouthed than moderns are; they all cut their
linguistic teeth, through literature or hearing sermons and other
public speaking of the time, on the Bible, and those speech rhythms and
patterns permeated their own spoken language. People on the frontier
brought their educations, whatever they were, with them, and spoke from
them, not from the L.A. gutter. A good western novel, though old now,
that gives an idea of the language of the times is "The Road to
Socorro", reprinted as "The Hell-bent Kid", by an author whose name I
should remember, but age and time prevent it. Read Mark Twain, for
God's sake; he knew and reported that type of rural language, and it
was NOT modern drug-culture speak.

You seem to miss the point. Deadwood was an entertainment not a
documentary. Grab the remote and flip back to the History Channel,
you'll live a happier life.

[Crowfoot]

Post by Buster

Post by Crowfoot

Post by c***@gmail.com
Meh...That show was garbage anyway.
Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

Hear, hear. Milch grafted his own modern gutter experience onto a
grunge-fantasy of the old West and sold it on dirty language,
completely unaware that even the lowdown folks of those days were more
eloquent and less potty-mouthed than moderns are; they all cut their
linguistic teeth, through literature or hearing sermons and other
public speaking of the time, on the Bible, and those speech rhythms and
patterns permeated their own spoken language. People on the frontier
brought their educations, whatever they were, with them, and spoke from
them, not from the L.A. gutter. A good western novel, though old now,
that gives an idea of the language of the times is "The Road to
Socorro", reprinted as "The Hell-bent Kid", by an author whose name I
should remember, but age and time prevent it. Read Mark Twain, for
God's sake; he knew and reported that type of rural language, and it
was NOT modern drug-culture speak.

You seem to miss the point. Deadwood was an entertainment not a
documentary. Grab the remote and flip back to the History Channel,
you'll live a happier life.

*You* miss the point that Milch claimed he was restoring "reality"
to our views of the past by cranking up the modern obscenity quotient.
See many interviews about the show, many such claims. History
channel is dandy, but I wouldn't depend on it for "a happier life".

C

[Buster]

Post by c***@gmail.com
Meh...That show was garbage anyway.
Virtually all Clint Eastwood ol school westerns KILLED Deadwood.

Obviously not a viewer. Just another Usenet troll.

[bigdaddy]

Post by Dano
It sure sounds to me like it was Milch himself who caused this to happen.
Seems he's trying to have it both ways. He has his new project...HBO
can't afford to pay the Deadwood cast while he does other things. I think
we'd all agree that without his total involvement the show would no longer
be Deadwood. Milch just doesn't want to lose viewership while being a
lame duck series I guess. I don't care for the way he has handled this at
all. Well I can certainly understand how enticing a show about a surfer
from Cincinnati would be...cocksucker!

Well Milch himself has said he was planning for 4 seasons originally.
Something about trying to have each represent 1 year in the camp and the
camp burns in year 4 (or something like that, can't remember the details).

Looks like they cut him off a year early...wonder if this means it'll end
without a real ending.

[Lorraine]

Post by bigdaddy
Looks like they cut him off a year early...wonder if this means it'll end
without a real ending.

You mean kind of like Carnivale?

[CliffB]

But the final season has a craking good plot twist with Swearingen
going gay as a fruit loop and cursing all the way. Milch and Chase plan
to collaborate on a new series afterward, Tourette's Bi-Cycle Cops in
Heat.

[r***@hotmail.com]

Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.
Even bikers don't sound that foul.
Now the Sopranos, they "know" how to swear. It sounds right and helps
make the show believable.

[jrob]

But Deadwood got ruined with all the phony swearing

That's what killed it for me too. It looked well filmed, and from what
I could see it was well acted, but every time I happened on it I just
couldn't get past what seemed to me like absolutely unbelievable
dialogue. Perhaps it's because most traditional westerns I'm familiar
with never took this route, but it felt like HBO was saying to their
audience, "Hey, we know you like this shit when The Sopranos is in
season, just switch over to a western theme and you won't miss a
beat".................

[marika]

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news.

I found an old email when cleaning out my email box, about this

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.

I thought, in light of the beach analogies, appropriate to forward

Post by r***@hotmail.com
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.
Even bikers don't sound that foul.

I will cash up on 2/2 to make sure that the cab gets me home

mk5000

"Check this out, I be fiending from mood swings
Ready to throw down and knock the shit out of soft range
Hard list, ready to live out whatever
So if you're in my path, we better best be walking together."--jump off,
dark lotus

[unknown]

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.
Even bikers don't sound that foul.
Now the Sopranos, they "know" how to swear. It sounds right and helps
make the show believable.

Not if you grew up around that "element". I still find The Sopranos
laughably unauthentic. Trust me, Al Swearengen is the real gangster on
HBO.

AOS

[Crowfoot]

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.
Even bikers don't sound that foul.
Now the Sopranos, they "know" how to swear. It sounds right and helps
make the show believable.

And you can hear it now in Jersey, and elsewhere. It's gutter-speak,
*Eastern, urban* gutter-speak. Rural people, particularly of that time,
were not foul-mouthed savages but people from other parts of the country
who brought their values and their language antecedents with them.
Country people generally speak more bluntly than city folk in some ways,
but being dependent on their neighbors in ways that city people are not
and dependent in obvious ways on some concept of God because more
exposed to the ravages of weather than city people usually are, they
have always been more circumspect in their speech than city
slum-dwellers were (and are) inclined to be. It's a world-view thing.

C

[Buster]

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.

Then you would be wrong, but by all means go back and live in your
Golden Age of Hollywood fantasy western mind set where all the cowboys
said "aw shucks" and those dance hall girls in the saloons were just
dance hall girls.

btw, when i surf into a show I know i don't like, I don't linger and
grouse how television was so much better in the good old days, i just
keep going.

[Crowfoot]

Post by Buster

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.

Then you would be wrong

Nope, but *you* are. Part of the charm of the true West was the odd
combination of ferocious violence and a peculiarly grand speech-style
derived from Biblical templates, with an overlay of seriously strange
respect for women as a superior and civilizing force. Go read some
actual history before shooting you mouth off about this. Try "No Life
For a Lady", by Agnes Morley Cleveland, about growing up in Billy the
Kid country, for a sense of the reality of the time and place.

C

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Crowfoot

Post by Buster

Post by r***@hotmail.com
Wow, that is great news. Now I don't have to puke when I accidently
surf onto the show.
I'm a big fan of westerns. Wish they still made 'em. But Deadwood got
ruined with all the phony swearing. I don't believe westerners ever
talked like that filthy then or now.

Then you would be wrong

Nope, but *you* are. Part of the charm of the true West

Really, you were there? Very impressive.

[BlackRoomBetting.com]

Deadwood is the best thing on HBO.