Final Song

[Eaglesclaw]

I believe it's "Breathe Me"

http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

[Mapanari]

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

Careful about that website! There is a link to play her video and although I
have the latest windows media player already on my puter, it want's me to
drop my firewall and install "the lastest version of media player in order to
play this file".

I suspect a virus or tracking program instead or reading your hard drive
first of all the media files you have.

[drifter]

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"

Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

[Crystal]

why not do what I did.... I downloaded "Free Hi-Q Recorder", then played the
track off that link below while recording it with Hi-Q. I have it on my
computer to listen to along with three of her other songs from that link. I
then burnt it onto a CD.

Note, if you do record it you need to record it on Hi-Q at about 17% volume
(setting under options) it will then be close to CD quality sound.

http://www.roemersoftware.com/free-sound-recorder.html

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?
--
Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."

[3finger]

Post by Crystal
why not do what I did.... I downloaded "Free Hi-Q Recorder", then played the
track off that link below while recording it with Hi-Q. I have it on my
computer to listen to along with three of her other songs from that link. I
then burnt it onto a CD.
Note, if you do record it you need to record it on Hi-Q at about 17% volume
(setting under options) it will then be close to CD quality sound.

Wouldn't the problem with that process - besides the fact that it's
kinda stealing the song - is that you can only get a 30-second clip of
the song as a preview on iTunes?

[Eaglesclaw]

You can listen to the entire song on her website

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?
--
Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."

[3finger]

Post by Eaglesclaw
You can listen to the entire song on her website

I know. But that does my iPod no good.

[W***@email.ro]

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Why are you on iTunes? That's like paying a tax on the air you
breathe. I mean, all (or most of) the songs that you want are on the
Internet free of charge. Although Napster sold out, there are still a
number of free file sharing programs out there. WinMX is one of the
safest, and most reliable... and you'll certainly find Sia's "Breathe
Me" there.

[Userb3]

Post by W***@email.ro

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Why are you on iTunes?

Maybe because they're not a thief.

Post by W***@email.ro
That's like paying a tax on the air you
breathe.

Assuming that there isn't someone holding the legal, moral, and ethical
right to that air.

Post by W***@email.ro
I mean, all (or most of) the songs that you want are on the
Internet free of charge.

Well heck, if you wear a big jacket and get Kathy Bates to help you,
there are entire stores full of stuff free for the taking!

Post by W***@email.ro
Although Napster sold out, there are still a
number of free file sharing programs out there. WinMX is one of the
safest, and most reliable... and you'll certainly find Sia's "Breathe
Me" there.

Because, after all, you wouldn't want to reward the artist, songwriter,
musicians, label, distributors, et al who made the music possible. They
don't have any reason to expect to make money from their work, do they?

[W***@email.ro]

Post by Userb3

Post by W***@email.ro

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Why are you on iTunes?

Maybe because they're not a thief.

Post by W***@email.ro
That's like paying a tax on the air you
breathe.

Assuming that there isn't someone holding the legal, moral, and ethical
right to that air.

Post by W***@email.ro
I mean, all (or most of) the songs that you want are on the
Internet free of charge.

Well heck, if you wear a big jacket and get Kathy Bates to help you,
there are entire stores full of stuff free for the taking!

Post by W***@email.ro
Although Napster sold out, there are still a
number of free file sharing programs out there. WinMX is one of the
safest, and most reliable... and you'll certainly find Sia's "Breathe
Me" there.

Because, after all, you wouldn't want to reward the artist, songwriter,
musicians, label, distributors, et al who made the music possible. They
don't have any reason to expect to make money from their work, do they?

Thank you, Cary Sherman.

[Userb3]

Post by W***@email.ro
Thank you, Cary Sherman.

Who's Cary Sherman?

[notherenow]

Post by Userb3

Post by W***@email.ro

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Why are you on iTunes?

Maybe because they're not a thief.

Post by W***@email.ro
That's like paying a tax on the air you
breathe.

Assuming that there isn't someone holding the legal, moral, and ethical
right to that air.

Post by W***@email.ro
I mean, all (or most of) the songs that you want are on the
Internet free of charge.

Well heck, if you wear a big jacket and get Kathy Bates to help you,
there are entire stores full of stuff free for the taking!

Post by W***@email.ro
Although Napster sold out, there are still a
number of free file sharing programs out there. WinMX is one of the
safest, and most reliable... and you'll certainly find Sia's "Breathe
Me" there.

Because, after all, you wouldn't want to reward the artist, songwriter,
musicians, label, distributors, et al who made the music possible. They
don't have any reason to expect to make money from their work, do they?

That's right. The product of someone else's labor is not comparable to
air and should not be considered "yours free of charge" UNLESS it was
freely given by the owner. When artists put the fruits of their labor
on the market, acquiring it without paying for it is a crime.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by W***@email.ro

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Why are you on iTunes? That's like paying a tax on the air you
breathe. I mean, all (or most of) the songs that you want are on the
Internet free of charge.

It's not really like paying for air, I think a better metaphor is:

"Why pay for your produce? If you wear a big overcoat you can take all
the apples and oranges you need without stopping at the cash register!"

[notherenow]

Post by drifter

Post by Eaglesclaw
I believe it's "Breathe Me"
http://umusic.ca/sia/index.php

I went to iTunes to see if the song was available, and
it is; however, you can't buy just the song you like for
99 cents, you have to buy the entire album for 10 bucks.
This is about the 6th time this has happened to me on
iTunes. I thought the big sales pitch was "buy just the
songs you want?"
Is there a better song sales site out there that any of
you are really happy with?

Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

[coasterqueen]

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.

Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

[notherenow]

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster
or others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

[somebody]

Post by coasterqueen
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

I'd never heard of Sia but am thinking of buying any CDs she puts out (only
seeing imports at the moment). And I thought Coldplay was the "band of the
month" but see they may be more than that and thinking of buying Rush to the
Head.... Buying SFU soundtrack vol 2 so I will have both for now... never
would have done that if I had not downloaded the songs to hear what they
sound like.

Like how a knife can be used as a tool to cut a knot or vegetable lasgna--
or, to threaten someone at the dinner table; downloading can be used for
good or evil. It's not all "shoplifting". There's also a lot of stuff out
there that isn't available commercially that people put out there to share.
(I recently found an Ian Hunter vid from 1976 that some kind soul posted.)

[notherenow]

Post by somebody

Post by coasterqueen
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

I'd never heard of Sia but am thinking of buying any CDs she puts out (only
seeing imports at the moment). And I thought Coldplay was the "band of the
month" but see they may be more than that and thinking of buying Rush to the
Head.... Buying SFU soundtrack vol 2 so I will have both for now... never
would have done that if I had not downloaded the songs to hear what they
sound like.
Like how a knife can be used as a tool to cut a knot or vegetable lasgna--
or, to threaten someone at the dinner table; downloading can be used for
good or evil. It's not all "shoplifting". There's also a lot of stuff out
there that isn't available commercially that people put out there to share.
(I recently found an Ian Hunter vid from 1976 that some kind soul posted.)

OK, then let me clarify. Using technology to acquire free of charge any
item that its *owner* is *not giving away*, is stealing. If the owner,
for instance an artist, is offering the item, for instance set of songs,
for sale with the intention of making a living, taking any portion of
that item, for instance a single song, is exactly the same as
shoplifting.

[Userb3]

never would have done that if I had not
downloaded the songs to hear what they sound like.

Thats 100% beside the point. Downloading copyrighted music without
permission is stealing, pure and simple.

[FatKat]

Post by Userb3

never would have done that if I had not
downloaded the songs to hear what they sound like.

Thats 100% beside the point. Downloading copyrighted music without
permission is stealing, pure and simple.

Respectfully disagree. While I'm not trying to legitamize downloading
music that wasn't paid for, many on ths thread are thinkinbg of music
as if it was a tangible thing that was finite - like razor blades or
shoelaces that you've diminished by DL. Instead, think of DL music as
more of a license to listen to that music. Those who genuinely DL
music to preview it are not substantially different from those who tape
it off the radio for the same purpose. To say otherwise would
illegalize hordes of people who made mix-tapes for jogging or travel
before the age of CD-R. That there was a difference in quality between
mix-tapes and digitally-encoded CD's sloppily gets off the hook the
those who sell bootlegged movies which were notorious for their lack of
quality.

[notherenow]

Post by FatKat

Post by Userb3

never would have done that if I had not
downloaded the songs to hear what they sound like.

Thats 100% beside the point. Downloading copyrighted music without
permission is stealing, pure and simple.

Respectfully disagree. While I'm not trying to legitamize downloading
music that wasn't paid for, many on ths thread are thinkinbg of music
as if it was a tangible thing that was finite - like razor blades or
shoelaces that you've diminished by DL. Instead, think of DL music as
more of a license to listen to that music. Those who genuinely DL
music to preview it are not substantially different from those who tape
it off the radio for the same purpose. To say otherwise would
illegalize hordes of people who made mix-tapes for jogging or travel
before the age of CD-R. That there was a difference in quality between
mix-tapes and digitally-encoded CD's sloppily gets off the hook the
those who sell bootlegged movies which were notorious for their lack of
quality.

So what is your point? Are you arguing it's ok for people to record
what does not belong to them (whatever the medium) as long as the
quality is degraded from the original?

Taping music from a primary source is not legal, and never has been
legal. It's just not a crime worthy of prosecution *until* the
perpetrator demonstrates intent to distribute without compensation to
the legal owner. That is what these computer-to-computer music/video
sharing systems do. It is a conspiracy to distribute an item to which
the the perpetrators have no rights. And the person who downloads that
item is perpetuating and expanding the scope of the crime. Maybe you're
right, shoplifting is too mild an analogy and conspiracy is a more
accurate description.

Music IS a tangible item, btw, particularly to the artist who would like
for you to purchase it.

[coasterqueen]

Post by notherenow

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster
or others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Well, now I don't have to "steal". I *buy* my songs from iTunes. I
can get the one song I like for 99 cents; I don't have to pay $15.00
for the entire CD full of bad music. And if I want Sia's song, I
know where to get it. So they might as well put the single on iTunes
and get 99 cents for it, before people like me go to a site and get it
for free.

Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

[Tina]

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Hmmmm...explain the difference in sharing music through the internet, and
burning a copy for a friend from your computer. Or back in the day when we
had track to track recording...for the prescise purposed of duplicating
music. Why didn't the "industry" have machines that duplicate music made
illegal?

Tina

[FatKat]

Post by Tina

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Hmmmm...explain the difference in sharing music through the internet, and
burning a copy for a friend from your computer. Or back in the day when we
had track to track recording...for the prescise purposed of duplicating
music. Why didn't the "industry" have machines that duplicate music made
illegal?

To argue for the other side, the difference is largely one of volume.
Every time I want to make a copy of something, short of leaving it on a
P2P client, I have to make a separate copy for that person. With
Peer-client systems, I can just leave it on my computer and it's
available to anybody who wants it as long as I'm connected to that
network. It's a difference in degree rather than kind. Ideally, both
burning discs for friends and downloading are things that the industry
groups would clamp down on, if one of the two weren't more of an
apparently onerous nature. I doubt for a moment that industry would
ignore those who burn copies on their computers had P2P programs not
been available. PC's are much easier and faster than track-to-track,
my computer has yet to eat a disc and my CD's seem to keep their
quality longer than most of my mix-tapes (even if this is less than the
1,000's of years-lifespan I had once been told to expect) and the
digital transfer seems to keep more of the original's recording than my
old analog tapes used to.

[notherenow]

Post by Tina

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Hmmmm...explain the difference in sharing music through the internet, and
burning a copy for a friend from your computer. Or back in the day when we
had track to track recording...for the prescise purposed of duplicating
music. Why didn't the "industry" have machines that duplicate music made
illegal?
Tina

The tool is innocent, regardless of the fact that it enables people to
commit crimes. If we were to outlaw machines or equipment that make it
possible for people do criminal things, we wouldn't be having anymore
discussions about guns.

Legally speaking, there is no difference between burning a copy of one
of your CD's to give to your friend and downloading music free from the
internet.

[Tina]

Post by notherenow

Post by Tina

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Hmmmm...explain the difference in sharing music through the internet, and
burning a copy for a friend from your computer. Or back in the day when we
had track to track recording...for the prescise purposed of duplicating
music. Why didn't the "industry" have machines that duplicate music made
illegal?
Tina

The tool is innocent, regardless of the fact that it enables people to
commit crimes. If we were to outlaw machines or equipment that make it
possible for people do criminal things, we wouldn't be having anymore
discussions about guns.
Legally speaking, there is no difference between burning a copy of one
of your CD's to give to your friend and downloading music free from the
internet.

We're not allowed to own a machine that duplicates money.

Tina

[notherenow]

Post by Tina

Post by notherenow

Post by Tina

Post by coasterqueen

Post by notherenow
Perhaps some producers aren't giving iTunes license to distribute
individual songs.

Right. They load a CD with a bunch of crap songs nobody wants and
charge $15.00. In essence, you end up paying over $10.00 for one
song. That's why Napster was such a success, imo. It wasn't about
"stealing" music, it was about people getting tired of getting
ripped-off into buying a CD loaded with a bunch of junk.
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert

Imo, stealing is prccisely what it is about. Downloading from Napster or
others of its ilk is exactly the same as shoplifting.

Hmmmm...explain the difference in sharing music through the internet, and
burning a copy for a friend from your computer. Or back in the day when we
had track to track recording...for the prescise purposed of duplicating
music. Why didn't the "industry" have machines that duplicate music made
illegal?
Tina

The tool is innocent, regardless of the fact that it enables people to
commit crimes. If we were to outlaw machines or equipment that make it
possible for people do criminal things, we wouldn't be having anymore
discussions about guns.
Legally speaking, there is no difference between burning a copy of one
of your CD's to give to your friend and downloading music free from the
internet.

We're not allowed to own a machine that duplicates money.
Tina

You don't have a copy machine? How about a scanner? Of course you're
allowed to have a machine that could be used to copy (duplicate) money.
You're just not allowed to use it to make counterfeit money.
Counterfeiting, btw, would take more than just a machine, you'd have to
have the right kind of paper and ink to make the product passable.