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HBO's official obits
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Steve
2005-08-24 15:53:31 UTC
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Ruth O'Connor Fisher

Ruth Fisher was born in Pasadena in 1946 and died at Good Samaritan
Hospital of Glendale on Wednesday. She graduated from Pasadena High
School in 1963 and stayed home to raise three children before opening
the Four Paws Pet Retreat in Topanga Canyon twenty years ago.

She is survived by her loving companion George Sibley, her sister
Sarah O'Connor, her son David Fisher of Los Angeles and her daughter
Claire Fisher of New York City. Ruth will also be missed by her four
cherished grandchildren - Maya Fisher, Willa Chenowith, and Anthony
and Durrell Charles-Fisher.

Viewing will be held on Saturday, March 15th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles. Private
burial to follow.


Keith Dwayne Charles

Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.

Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.


David James Fisher

Born January 20, 1969. Died at the age of 75 in Echo Park. He was
proud owner and operator of Fisher & Sons Funeral Home of Los Angeles
for over forty years. After retiring in 2034, he went on to perform in
dozens of local theater productions, including Weill and Brecht's
"Threepenny Opera," Rossini's "The Barber of Seville," and as Ebenezer
Scrooge in Dickens' "A Christmas Carol." David leaves behind his
partner Raoul Martinez, his beloved sons Durrell and Anthony
Charles-Fisher, his sister Claire Fisher and his three precious
grandchildren Matthew, Keith, and Katie. In lieu of flowers, donations
can be made to the Southern California Opera Association


Hector Federico Diaz

Died at the age of 75 while vacationing with his wife in Puerto Rico.
Federico graduated from Cyprus College in 1997 with a degree in
Mortuary Science. He worked as a restorative artist for several years
before becoming part owner of Fisher & Diaz Funeral Home on 25th
Street. In 2005, Federico opened the Diaz Family Mortuary on DeLongpre
Avenue in Hollywood, where he served the community for 35 years before
retiring.

Pre-deceased by his parents Mauricio and Lilia Diaz of Los Angeles. He
was married to his beloved wife Vanessa for 54 years and leaves behind
his cherished sons Julio and Augusto and his three grandchildren:
Emily, Celestina and Vincent.

Memorial service will be held at Diaz Family Mortuary on Saturday,
February 16th at 11:00 a.m. Funeral mass will be held at 9:30 a.m. the
following day at St. Paul's Catholic Church in Atwater Village.


Brenda Chenowith

Brenda Chenowith was born July 19, 1969 and died at the age of 82 at
home. She earned her Masters Degree in Social Work at California State
University of Los Angeles and a PhD in Theories of Human Behavior at
University of Southern California.

Brenda wrote several books about the role of the gifted child in
family development. She is considered to be one of the most
distinguished scholars in that field of study, adding several courses
to the Social Work curriculum at USC. She developed research
methodologies to conclusively prove the link between deviant human
behavior and fetal alcohol exposure. As a child, Brenda was the
subject of the book "Charlotte Light and Dark" by Gareth Feinberg,
PhD.

Brenda will be dearly missed by her beloved children Maya Fisher,
Willa Chenowith, and Forrest Nathanson, her loving husband Daniel
Nathanson, and her brother William Chenowith of Malibu. Private
services will be held Wednesday March 9th at Deep Creek Nature
Preserve. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to a charity of
your choice.


Claire Simone Fisher

Born March 13, 1983. Died February 11, 2085 in Manhattan. Claire grew
up in Los Angeles and studied art at LAC-Arts College. She worked as
an advertising and fashion photographer and photojournalist for nearly
fifty years, creating several memorable covers for Washington Post
magazine, W, and The Face. Claire often exhibited her work in New York
and London art galleries and in a time when nearly everyone else in
her field had turned to digital scanning and computer-driven imaging,
she continued to use a silver-based photographic process. Claire began
teaching photography as a faculty member at New York University's
Tisch School of the Arts in 2018, earning tenure in 2028. She's
pre-deceased by her beloved husband Ted Fairwell.
b***@yahoo.com
2005-08-24 18:06:41 UTC
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Claire could have been married to Ted for quite some time. They
reconnected apparently at Ruth's funeral and married until he widowed
her. It could have been 50 years, if Ted had lived to 2075. (I'm
guessing that having reconnected in their 40s in 2025 they wouldn't
have gone in for a very long engagement.)

I like Ted, the actor did a good job convincing me Ted adored Claire.
There were also little gentlemanly touches that I thought were subtle
but important. Like how he stepped up and convinced Ruth that Maya
would love to see her grandmother in the finale. Really, alot of people
would have sat back and thought, "it's family business and none of
mine." But Ted stepping up was chivalous, and showed he cared about
this family unit, even though it wasn't (yet) his.
Baker, Jane Baker
2005-08-24 18:37:45 UTC
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I like Ted, the actor did a good job convincing me Ted adored Claire.
There were also little gentlemanly touches that I thought were subtle
but important. Like how he stepped up and convinced Ruth that Maya
would love to see her grandmother in the finale. Really, alot of people
would have sat back and thought, "it's family business and none of
mine." But Ted stepping up was chivalous, and showed he cared about
this family unit, even though it wasn't (yet) his.
I agree. He had an innate kindness/sensibility about him.

I really liked Ted & Claire together.

Oh man, that sounds so lame. I'll probably start reading "Teen Beat"
magazine next.

Baker, Jane Baker
manitou
2005-08-24 19:11:31 UTC
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I like Ted, the actor did a good job convincing me Ted adored Claire.
There were also little gentlemanly touches that I thought were subtle
but important. Like how he stepped up and convinced Ruth that Maya
would love to see her grandmother in the finale. Really, alot of people
would have sat back and thought, "it's family business and none of
mine." But Ted stepping up was chivalous, and showed he cared about
this family unit, even though it wasn't (yet) his.
I agree. He had an innate kindness/sensibility about him.
I really liked Ted & Claire together.
I liked them as a couple too.

They were different, but totally believable [complete opposite of Nate
and Lisa --- ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!].








C.
Guy
2005-08-24 18:55:33 UTC
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Claire could have been married to Ted for quite some time. They
reconnected apparently at Ruth's funeral and married until he widowed
her.
I doubt this somehow .. they must at the very least still have been in
touch before Ruth died .. it's very unlikely that Ted just showed up at
Ruth's funeral if it was years ago that he saw Claire ..
b***@yahoo.com
2005-08-24 20:19:35 UTC
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Claire could have been married to Ted for quite some time. They
reconnected apparently at Ruth's funeral and married until he widowed
her.
I doubt this somehow .. they must at the very least still have been in
touch before Ruth died .. it's very unlikely that Ted just showed up at
Ruth's funeral if it was years ago that he saw Claire ..
I meant reconnect in the "let's date" way. I was assuming it wasn't
coincidence that Ted showed up at Ruth's funeral. I was assuming they'd
exchanged Christmas cards and that Claire alerted him she'd be back in
SoCal.
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-25 04:58:43 UTC
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Claire could have been married to Ted for quite some time. They
reconnected apparently at Ruth's funeral and married until he widowed
her.
I doubt this somehow .. they must at the very least still have been in
touch before Ruth died .. it's very unlikely that Ted just showed up at
Ruth's funeral if it was years ago that he saw Claire ..
I meant reconnect in the "let's date" way. I was assuming it wasn't
coincidence that Ted showed up at Ruth's funeral. I was assuming they'd
exchanged Christmas cards and that Claire alerted him she'd be back in
SoCal.
Claire seemed surprised to see him. My take was that Ted saw Ruth's obit
and went to the funeral. After that it was fate.
KC
2005-08-25 05:40:25 UTC
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:58:43 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
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Claire could have been married to Ted for quite some time. They
reconnected apparently at Ruth's funeral and married until he widowed
her.
I doubt this somehow .. they must at the very least still have been in
touch before Ruth died .. it's very unlikely that Ted just showed up at
Ruth's funeral if it was years ago that he saw Claire ..
I meant reconnect in the "let's date" way. I was assuming it wasn't
coincidence that Ted showed up at Ruth's funeral. I was assuming they'd
exchanged Christmas cards and that Claire alerted him she'd be back in
SoCal.
Claire seemed surprised to see him. My take was that Ted saw Ruth's obit
and went to the funeral. After that it was fate.
Well, that's how I reconnected with someone once, an old lover that I
hadn't seen in years. When you get to a certain age, you start
glancing through the obits, though in my case, someone called me to
tell me about the deceased. It's also possible that Claire and Ted
kept in touch by phone and David, knowing this, gave him a call. "Ted,
my mom passed away. Claire's flying in, if you'd like to stop by." She
looked surprised to see him at the cemetery, but that doesn't mean
she's had no contact with him. She may have been surprised to see him
because no one had been able to reach him, or because people at the
firm said he was out of the country.

I think you're scenario's the likeliest, though.

KC
!! (Kira Dirlik)
2005-08-25 12:32:34 UTC
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:58:43 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
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Claire seemed surprised to see him. My take was that Ted saw Ruth's obit
and went to the funeral. After that it was fate.
That was my take on it, too. She looked very surprised, and pleased.
He came late, hesitantly, not quite knowing what to expect.
Kira
Debbie S.
2005-08-25 15:52:37 UTC
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that's what i thought, too.....

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Claire seemed surprised to see him. My take was that Ted saw Ruth's obit
and went to the funeral. After that it was fate.
Tina
2005-08-25 16:16:34 UTC
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I meant reconnect in the "let's date" way. I was assuming it wasn't
coincidence that Ted showed up at Ruth's funeral. I was assuming they'd
exchanged Christmas cards and that Claire alerted him she'd be back in
SoCal.
Claire seemed surprised to see him. My take was that Ted saw Ruth's obit
and went to the funeral. After that it was fate.
Oh, yeah. She wasn't expecting him.

Tina
r***@yahoo.com
2005-08-24 21:37:43 UTC
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http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/obituary/episode63.shtml
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Keith Dwayne Charles
Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.
Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.
Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."

Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?

And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
And he went to West Point???? This makes no sense to me.

I really liked the rest of these obits, they gave both interesting back
and future stories, but this one is bugging me. Any explanation?
w***@gmail.com
2005-08-25 15:08:50 UTC
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Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."
Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?
And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
And he went to West Point???? This makes no sense to me.
I really liked the rest of these obits, they gave both interesting back
and future stories, but this one is bugging me. Any explanation?
Kieth was gay and obviously cameout. Back in 90 or 91 the policy was to
kick homosexuals out of the miltary. He would have had maybe a year or
so as a comissioned officer if he even got that far. 1st year officers
don't make that much money especially 15 years ago. Hell they don't
even make 40K today. How was kieth supposed to explain to any potential
employer about his discharge from the Army? "Well I'm gay and they
kicked me out". Back in the early 90's a gay man wouldn't be hired my
many employers. Kieth was fired from the police force because of a
incident(I can't remember what it was). 50k for a security
gauard(actually he was more of a security specialist or a body guard)
is high but it was with a firm with big name clients and it is in LA.
r***@yahoo.com
2005-08-24 21:38:17 UTC
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Keith Dwayne Charles
Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.
Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.
Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."

Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?

And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
And he went to West Point???? This makes no sense to me.

I really liked the rest of these obits, they gave both interesting back
and future stories, but this one is bugging me. Any explanation?
KC
2005-08-25 04:33:55 UTC
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http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/obituary/episode63.shtml
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Keith Dwayne Charles
Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.
Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.
Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."
Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?
And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.

KC
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And he went to West Point???? This makes no sense to me.
I really liked the rest of these obits, they gave both interesting back
and future stories, but this one is bugging me. Any explanation?
Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-25 13:04:03 UTC
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http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/obituary/episode63.shtml
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Keith Dwayne Charles
Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.
Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.
Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."
Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?
And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
Userb3
2005-08-25 13:11:34 UTC
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Post by KC
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As most small business owners will tell you, your name on the front of the
store doesn't mean you aren't the one sweeping the floor. There's not a job
to be done in my business that I haven't personally done at some point.
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jcoulter
2005-08-25 13:25:20 UTC
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Post by KC
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry
level rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As most small business owners will tell you, your name on the front of
the store doesn't mean you aren't the one sweeping the floor. There's
not a job to be done in my business that I haven't personally done at
some point.
Come on, as owner there isn't a job that we aren't obliged to do, sometimes
because the employees won't!
--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/
Userb3
2005-08-25 14:05:29 UTC
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As most small business owners will tell you, your name on the front
of the store doesn't mean you aren't the one sweeping the floor.
There's not a job to be done in my business that I haven't
personally done at some point.
Come on, as owner there isn't a job that we aren't obliged to do,
sometimes because the employees won't!
True enough. Employees can call in sick, but as owner, if you aren't there,
the business is closed and customers go elsewhere. I also do a lot of jobs
because I'd rather do them myself than pay someone else the $20-30K/yr it
would take to hire another employee.
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notherenow
2005-08-25 15:35:45 UTC
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As most small business owners will tell you, your name on the front
of the store doesn't mean you aren't the one sweeping the floor.
There's not a job to be done in my business that I haven't
personally done at some point.
Come on, as owner there isn't a job that we aren't obliged to do,
sometimes because the employees won't!
True enough. Employees can call in sick, but as owner, if you aren't there,
the business is closed and customers go elsewhere. I also do a lot of jobs
because I'd rather do them myself than pay someone else the $20-30K/yr it
would take to hire another employee.
I'm chief scientist, bookkeeper, janitor, and everything in between for
my business.
b***@yahoo.com
2005-08-25 15:19:40 UTC
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Post by KC
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As many people pointed out, being the owner may oblige you to do
whatever it takes to get the job done. The ordinary guy may have called
in sick, Keith may have assured the customer he'd oversee this money
transfer himself. A number of factors could have reasonable put him in
the line of fire.
Tina
2005-08-25 16:20:51 UTC
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Post by KC
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As many people pointed out, being the owner may oblige you to do
whatever it takes to get the job done. The ordinary guy may have called
in sick, Keith may have assured the customer he'd oversee this money
transfer himself. A number of factors could have reasonable put him in
the line of fire.
We know the guy who owns the limo company OJ always used. Dale would always
drive OJ himself, but that one fateful night, he send one of his other
drivers and the rest is history. Poor kid, it changed his life.

Tina
Userb3
2005-08-25 16:22:23 UTC
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Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As many people pointed out, being the owner may oblige you to do
whatever it takes to get the job done. The ordinary guy may have called
in sick, Keith may have assured the customer he'd oversee this money
transfer himself. A number of factors could have reasonable put him in
the line of fire.
I don't recall anyone thinking it was odd that David, nate, and Rico all
took turns driving the van and picking up/dropping off corpses, or that
the Russian delivered flowers, etc. I wonder if these folks have any idea
how many of the people they buy products or services from are, in fact,
the owners of the company they're dealing with.
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Sparky Spartacus
2005-08-25 20:22:29 UTC
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Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry
level
Post by b***@yahoo.com
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rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
As many people pointed out, being the owner may oblige you to do
whatever it takes to get the job done. The ordinary guy may have called
in sick, Keith may have assured the customer he'd oversee this money
transfer himself. A number of factors could have reasonable put him in
the line of fire.
I don't recall anyone thinking it was odd that David, nate, and Rico all
took turns driving the van and picking up/dropping off corpses, or that
the Russian delivered flowers, etc.
That's because it isn't odd.
Post by Userb3
I wonder if these folks have any idea
how many of the people they buy products or services from are, in fact,
the owners of the company they're dealing with.
Many businesses can be very small indeed, maybe just one full time
person, but an armored car service isn't one of them[1].

As I posted elsewhere, I understand that owners of small businesses do
pretty much everything as the business dictates because I had a small
consulting business in the 80's - guess who did everything?

1. http://www.dos.state.ny.us/lcns/lawbooks/armcarguard.htm

Difficult for me to imagine a Fisher & Diaz Security armored
car/security service.

Also:

http://www.tspb.state.tx.us/SPB/SPB/Bids/pdfs/Armored%20Car06.pdf

No mom & pop outfits need apply.
Userb3
2005-08-25 21:32:01 UTC
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1. http://www.dos.state.ny.us/lcns/lawbooks/armcarguard.htm
Difficult for me to imagine a Fisher & Diaz Security armored
car/security service.
http://www.tspb.state.tx.us/SPB/SPB/Bids/pdfs/Armored%20Car06.pdf
No mom & pop outfits need apply.
Why not? Lots of small businesses operate in heavily regulated industries.
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KC
2005-08-25 19:04:33 UTC
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And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
The way he got out of the truck was a bit stiff, like, even with his
age, he hadn't done this in awhile. Looked to me like he was filling
in for a sudden employee absence or something. He wasn't very
observant, like someone who wasn't doing the work every day.

KC
Tina
2005-08-25 19:26:48 UTC
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And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
Right, so why was he unloading bags from the truck like some entry level
rent-a-cop? Makes no sense at all, of course, YMMV.
The way he got out of the truck was a bit stiff, like, even with his
age, he hadn't done this in awhile. Looked to me like he was filling
in for a sudden employee absence or something. He wasn't very
observant, like someone who wasn't doing the work every day.
KC
See...you and userb really make me think. I wonder if the writers put so
much thought into what they presented.

Tina
r***@yahoo.com
2005-08-25 21:47:10 UTC
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http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/obituary/episode63.shtml
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Keith Dwayne Charles
Keith Charles, founder of Charles Security Company, was born in 1968
in San Diego. He died suddenly at work on Tuesday morning.
Keith attended West Point Military Academy, graduating with a degree
in Criminology in 1989. He served the city of Los Angeles as a member
of the LAPD for nine years before joining the security industry. He
leaves behind his devoted husband David Fisher and loving sons Durrell
and Anthony Charles-Fisher, his grandson Matthew, his sister Karla
Charles and his niece Taylor Benoit of Carlsbad. Keith is pre-deceased
by his parents Roderick and Lucille Charles of San Diego. Memorial
service will be held on Sunday, February 18th at 2 p.m. at Fisher &
Sons Funeral Home at 2302 W. 25th Street in Los Angeles.
Okay, here is my problem with this: he went to West Point? What? And
then he went from being on the LAPD to being a security guard? We were
watching the first and second episode from season four last night (just
out on DVD), and Keith was interviewing for the security-to-the-stars
job, and David says, "Yeah, and it pays so well: $25 per hour! We can
buy all this new stuff."
Two things: First, with all due respect to security guards, this guy
was an officer in the U.S. Army, and is excited to make $25/hour, with
probably no benefits?
And second, I know some security guards who work at a local firm, and
they don't make $15/hour, so is that all Keith is making at this point?
Read the first ine of the obit. Keith OWNED the security company.
KC
He ultimately started and OWNED the security company, yes, but that is
later. In season 3, he was a security guard, as it was the best job he
could get. At probably $12/hour -- not the 'high priced' new job as
security-to-the-stars that paid $25/hour. It makes sense to me that
Keith ultimately owned his own small business, it does not make sense
that he spent at least two years doing security work looking at houses,
that anyone with a high school degree (or not) can do, not someone with
a degree from West Point and a army officer career.
Userb3
2005-08-25 22:20:31 UTC
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, it does not make sense
that he spent at least two years doing security work looking at houses,
that anyone with a high school degree (or not) can do, not someone with
a degree from West Point and a army officer career.
If you're a cop who got bounced for brutality and psychological issues,
opportunities get scarce.
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http://www.gopchoice.org/
KC
2005-08-26 04:44:46 UTC
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He ultimately started and OWNED the security company, yes, but that is
later. In season 3, he was a security guard, as it was the best job he
could get. At probably $12/hour -- not the 'high priced' new job as
security-to-the-stars that paid $25/hour. It makes sense to me that
Keith ultimately owned his own small business, it does not make sense
that he spent at least two years doing security work looking at houses,
that anyone with a high school degree (or not) can do, not someone with
a degree from West Point and a army officer career.
OK, I gotcha. I'm a new viewer and didn't know about that background.
I remember seeing bits and pieces of eps where he was a cop, but I
wasn't sure what he was currently doing for a living. I didn't get
that whole bit about him and his boss and getting the guy on the
plane. Makes more sense now. Private bouncer (apparently in more ways
than one). I agree that the obit indicates skills and training (and
prestige) that should have led to something higher level. He certainly
didn't strike me as a slacker.

KC

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