Claire's Husband

[ross.]

I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...

They just seem so polar at sometimes.

[b or t k-c]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
... Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!) changed a lot to meet Claire's
needs...

His name was Ted [recall her saying she never quite saw herself knowing a
guy named Ted?] Fairwell. Perhaps she changed, perhaps the entire political
climate changed [gay marriage, for example, a "hot-button" in CA now, had
become legalized]... or perhaps he's changed. There's hope for everyone,
even Rethuglicans [well, maybe not Pat Robertson]. In any case, he seemed
pretty sensitive to her needs during all the trauma surrounding Nate's
death... which, with the Fisher family's issues, made him seem pretty
"flexible" to me! [Plus, he had that cute derriere!]






...................

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

[Patricia Butler]

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
... Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!) changed a lot to meet Claire's
needs...

His name was Ted [recall her saying she never quite saw herself knowing a
guy named Ted?] Fairwell. Perhaps she changed, perhaps the entire political
climate changed [gay marriage, for example, a "hot-button" in CA now, had
become legalized]... or perhaps he's changed. There's hope for everyone,
even Rethuglicans [well, maybe not Pat Robertson]. In any case, he seemed
pretty sensitive to her needs during all the trauma surrounding Nate's
death... which, with the Fisher family's issues, made him seem pretty
"flexible" to me! [Plus, he had that cute derriere!]

Maybe Claire was just finally mature enough to allow someone else to
have a differing point of view. People with different political
beliefs are able to agree to disagree on such things when they have
connections in other important ways. James Carville and Mary Matalin
are the obvious example.

[patter]

Good point-too bad people don't realize this more often.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by patter
Good point-too bad people don't realize this more often.

What are you replying to here?

[Crystal]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
... Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!) changed a lot to meet Claire's
needs...

His name was Ted [recall her saying she never quite saw herself knowing a
guy named Ted?] Fairwell. Perhaps she changed, perhaps the entire political
climate changed [gay marriage, for example, a "hot-button" in CA now, had
become legalized]... or perhaps he's changed. There's hope for everyone,
even Rethuglicans [well, maybe not Pat Robertson]. In any case, he seemed
pretty sensitive to her needs during all the trauma surrounding Nate's
death... which, with the Fisher family's issues, made him seem pretty
"flexible" to me! [Plus, he had that cute derriere!]

Maybe Claire was just finally mature enough to allow someone else to
have a differing point of view. People with different political
beliefs are able to agree to disagree on such things when they have
connections in other important ways. James Carville and Mary Matalin
are the obvious example.

Or maybe he came to his senses and started voting Democrat.

[patter]

Maybe-it is fiction after all.

[!! (Kira Dirlik)]

On 24 Aug 2005 11:28:20 GMT, "b or t k-c"
<***@removethisnantucket.net> wrote:


....Perhaps she changed, perhaps the entire political

Post by b or t k-c
climate changed [gay marriage, for example, a "hot-button" in CA now, had
become legalized]... or perhaps he's changed. There's hope for everyone,
even Rethuglicans [well, maybe not Pat Robertson]. In any case, he seemed
pretty sensitive to her needs during all the trauma surrounding Nate's
death... which, with the Fisher family's issues, made him seem pretty
"flexible" to me! [Plus, he had that cute derriere!]

Ahhhh... someone else DID notice that butt!
First of all, Ted never actually admitted to being a Repugnantcan, did
he? He just let Clare rant on, after that first restaurant scene.
I found that interesting personally, because I had to watch that scene
3 times to actually listen to what Ted was saying (since Clare's
hysteria got my own juices flowing and got my ears plugged up).
Ted didn't say "We're over there for our Freedom", "Bush is right",
nor any of that cliched stuff. He said, "The people were dancing in
the streets" (they were, initially). And he said "The human race is
violent. There will always be wars." He didn't say that like it was
a Good Thing... just a sad fact.
Kira

[ross.]

He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years before,
just re-spun.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years before,
just re-spun.

True

[Userb3]

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years
before, just re-spun.

True

I'll have to share this with my neighbor who saw the cheering crowds
personally. Apparently, he only THOUGHT the Iraquis were cheering, and that
the school he rebuilt and managed for a year was full of happy,
appreciative kids.

[Patricia Butler]

Post by Userb3

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years
before, just re-spun.

True

I'll have to share this with my neighbor who saw the cheering crowds
personally. Apparently, he only THOUGHT the Iraquis were cheering, and that
the school he rebuilt and managed for a year was full of happy,
appreciative kids.

This didn't really require all the sarcasm. You could have just said,
"My neighbor witnessed this personally and it did, in fact, happen."

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Userb3

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years
before, just re-spun.

True

I'll have to share this with my neighbor who saw the cheering crowds
personally. Apparently, he only THOUGHT the Iraquis were cheering, and that
the school he rebuilt and managed for a year was full of happy,
appreciative kids.

This didn't really require all the sarcasm. You could have just said,
"My neighbor witnessed this personally and it did, in fact, happen."

But that's her style, though. Nice to hear she has a "friend" who knows
all the good stuff. This is Usenet - anyone can say anything.

[ross.]

Post by Userb3

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
He said, "The people were dancing in

Post by !! (Kira Dirlik)
the streets" (they were, initially).

I thought this was proven to be a stock video from several years
before, just re-spun.

True

I'll have to share this with my neighbor who saw the cheering crowds
personally. Apparently, he only THOUGHT the Iraquis were cheering, and that
the school he rebuilt and managed for a year was full of happy,
appreciative kids.

Well the video in question was taken out of context by the spin doctors.

[The Ghost of General Lee]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

Three words: Claire grew up.

[Userb3]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed
off with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed
a lot through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in
love with someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common
with when it came to important moral issues.

You mean important moral issues like being committed to her, being
tolerant of their differences, genuinely caring for he, watching out for
her, and not being self-righteous?

[FatKat]

I think it made sense after Billy & Russel that she's choose somebody
because of the differences, not despite them. In her previous
relationships, Claire adhered to people who were rough relections of
herself, and were based on a barely concious egotism. Ted was
different - completely different and, sharing nothing in common with
her, we know his love for her is more selfless.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

I think one point that was being made was that political views at the
end of the day may not have been that important. Ted demonstrated his
committment to her well-being by hanging in there at the hospital and
hanging in there during her (very unattractive) mourning period. He
adored her, and treated her family (like Ruth at the door to Rachel's
house) with kindness and respect.

These are all good point.

And why do you assume Claire changed. People sometimes become more
liberal as they age. (Actually, I think most people gravitate to the
middle, maybe that's where Claire & Ted met in their 40s.)

[Patricia Butler]

Post by b***@yahoo.com

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

I think one point that was being made was that political views at the
end of the day may not have been that important. Ted demonstrated his
committment to her well-being by hanging in there at the hospital and
hanging in there during her (very unattractive) mourning period. He
adored her, and treated her family (like Ruth at the door to Rachel's
house) with kindness and respect.
These are all good point.
And why do you assume Claire changed. People sometimes become more
liberal as they age. (Actually, I think most people gravitate to the
middle, maybe that's where Claire & Ted met in their 40s.)

I think the suggestion wasn't that Claire had changed her political
views, but that she had changed in that she was better able to tolerate
differing views of others. Tolerance of other's opinions wasn't
exactly young Claire's strong point (as it probably isn't in most
people of her age and inexperience).

[packrat]

imho, I think the fact that she picked out someone so opposite of who she
is/was is so fitting for the show. For her to end up with some liberal
artistic person is what everyone would have expected. To end up with
someone like him, opposite from everything she was about fit the show and
how it went. It's not like she setteled down immediately, later in life she
comes back to him, or him to her. He was a stable force for her, something
that she needed, if you can say Claire needed anything, I viewed her as a
person who met her own needs once she made her mind up. But there again, if
she didn't need him, he was still someone who loved her for who she was and
there was a stability there, not to mention loyalty and tenderness and lack
of self asborded artistic mindsets that she was surrounded with in art
school.

I know many will disagree with all of this, but i think it was a good
match, a fitting match and unexpected is what this show was about.

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by packrat
imho, I think the fact that she picked out someone so opposite of who she
is/was is so fitting for the show. For her to end up with some liberal
artistic person is what everyone would have expected. To end up with
someone like him, opposite from everything she was about fit the show and
how it went. It's not like she setteled down immediately, later in life she
comes back to him, or him to her. He was a stable force for her, something
that she needed, if you can say Claire needed anything, I viewed her as a
person who met her own needs once she made her mind up. But there again, if
she didn't need him, he was still someone who loved her for who she was and
there was a stability there, not to mention loyalty and tenderness and lack
of self asborded artistic mindsets that she was surrounded with in art
school.

The cruncher for Ted was that he stood by & was supportive when Nate
died & the aftermath. They had no real relationship at that point, so
Ted had no obligation towards Claire. Being suppportive, including
dropping things to take her for a ride, put him in another league from
anyone Claire had ever known before.

[The Baron's]

I'm 52. I was a full time musician for over 20 years. I had my share of
insanity and drugs and women.
When I was even younger, I was one of those throwing tear-gas canisters back
through a window at the DOJ during the Vietnam war. You get the idea of
who I am.

My wife and I have been married for 1 year. We knew each other for 20 years
before the moment clicked.

My wife started working for the government when she was 17. She is now 57.
She married to a man who willing to go to Vietnam. She now works directly
and personally with the Chairman of one of the largest federal agencies.
Sorry, can't say what it is in here.
I have been a hard core democrat all my life and she has been a hard core
republican. That is all different now. We could care less about either
party.

My point is -- shit changes. We look back on our lives and wonder how the
hell we got here. How did this happen? She is much different now. She
loves my tattoos and loves Johnette Napolitano and everything I do about
music and wears low cut tops. Me -- I became Catholic 3 years ago during a
serious illness and stopped smoking. I am very proud of my wife's very
important job -- right next door where I threw that tear gas canister 35
years ago. yada yada yada.

You never know where the road is going to take you. You just have no
fucking idea, what so ever. Life is a tapestry and everything happens for a
reason.
We are madly in love and right now life is perfect.

When we saw Claire & Ted get together we knew right away what that was all
about.

Sorry if I made you puke.

Baron

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by The Baron's
I'm 52. I was a full time musician for over 20 years. I had my share of
insanity and drugs and women.
When I was even younger, I was one of those throwing tear-gas canisters back
through a window at the DOJ during the Vietnam war. You get the idea of
who I am.
My wife and I have been married for 1 year. We knew each other for 20 years
before the moment clicked.
My wife started working for the government when she was 17. She is now 57.
She married to a man who willing to go to Vietnam. She now works directly
and personally with the Chairman of one of the largest federal agencies.
Sorry, can't say what it is in here.
I have been a hard core democrat all my life and she has been a hard core
republican. That is all different now. We could care less about either
party.
My point is -- shit changes. We look back on our lives and wonder how the
hell we got here. How did this happen? She is much different now. She
loves my tattoos and loves Johnette Napolitano and everything I do about
music and wears low cut tops. Me -- I became Catholic 3 years ago during a
serious illness and stopped smoking. I am very proud of my wife's very
important job -- right next door where I threw that tear gas canister 35
years ago. yada yada yada.
You never know where the road is going to take you. You just have no
fucking idea, what so ever. Life is a tapestry and everything happens for a
reason.
We are madly in love and right now life is perfect.
When we saw Claire & Ted get together we knew right away what that was all
about.
Sorry if I made you puke.

not at all, I'm very happy for you (and also very much in love myself
so maybe my nausea tolerance is high as I inflict so much of it on
others now).

For you two to have met your opposite you would have had to meet
someone apathetic to politics. Really passion to affect change can be
similar whichever side you think has the most effective means.

[Messalina]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

Are you a very young person? Because finding someone you love who
loves you is hard enough without insisting that person agree with your
views.

My husband is deeply religious and I'm an atheist. Don't get much
farther apart than that. You just decide if you can care about the
person and accept them for who they are.

Mez

[ross.]

Post by Messalina

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

Are you a very young person? Because finding someone you love who
loves you is hard enough without insisting that person agree with your
views.
My husband is deeply religious and I'm an atheist. Don't get much
farther apart than that. You just decide if you can care about the
person and accept them for who they are.
Mez

I'm 21...i'll try to take a lesson from this then :)

[Charlie9]

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

I'm more disappointed in Ted's choice of a mate. I can't believe he
didn't find someone more suited to him in the 20 odd years since she
left. I mean Clair would be OK for a fling, but she is kind of a
shallow airhead. Ted could do much better.

[KC]

Post by Charlie9

Post by ross.
I'm sure this has already been discussed, but is anyone else p*ssed off
with Claire's choice of husband? I fell like she must have changed a lot
through her 20s and 30s to find herself to be able to fall in love with
someone I feel she didn't really have that much in common with when it
came to important moral issues. Or maybe (I can't recall his name atm!)
changed a lot to meet Claire's needs...
They just seem so polar at sometimes.

I'm more disappointed in Ted's choice of a mate. I can't believe he
didn't find someone more suited to him in the 20 odd years since she
left. I mean Clair would be OK for a fling, but she is kind of a
shallow airhead. Ted could do much better.

For all we know, Ted did marry, then divorce in those 20 years.
There's no indication that he stayed single all that time. Maybe he
ended up married to someone like Lisa. Claire would be looking better
and better.

We don't know if they had spoken periodically through the years, or if
Ruth's funeral was the first time he'd seen her in 20 years, but she
had clearly grown up and was successful in her work. Her choice of
clothing at Keith and David's wedding and at the funeral indicated
that she wasn't shopping at thrift shops.

KC

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by KC
Her choice of
clothing at Keith and David's wedding and at the funeral indicated
that she wasn't shopping at thrift shops.
KC

Ma Chenowith: "Claire, it isn't the 20s, no matter how you dress!"