Bobby D
2005-08-27 15:44:20 UTC
I don't think they showed it.
Discussion:
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The Ghost of General Lee
2005-08-27 17:25:41 UTC
Who cares? It's comforting enough to know that he did/will.
The Baron's
2005-08-27 17:35:05 UTC
He probably cut his penis off while off his meds.
Baron
Baron
manitou
2005-08-27 19:42:07 UTC
An artist in Vienna did this back in the late 60s (and died of blood loss).
It was reported by TIME.
C.
It was reported by TIME.
C.
tigercat
2005-08-27 18:14:14 UTC
it wasn't shown, but he probably didn't last too long after Brenda passed
on; unless he contacts Claire which is a scary thought.
on; unless he contacts Claire which is a scary thought.
manitou
2005-08-27 19:41:17 UTC
Perhaps he eventually died of a rare drug-resistant AIDS strain,
acquired from Jake (David's psycho carjacker) when both were in
counselling [think Ted and Blake over at "QAF"...].
C.
acquired from Jake (David's psycho carjacker) when both were in
counselling [think Ted and Blake over at "QAF"...].
C.
Kati
2005-08-28 18:24:42 UTC
I think he dropped dead right after Brenda was declared dead.
Kati
Kati
FatKat
2005-08-28 21:00:55 UTC
They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Rather, they had earned the love of those who stuck with them to the
end (or their own). Keith would have definately enjoyed that departure
were he not rudely interrupted. The best that Billy could have
expected was being shown dying alone - Mama Chenowith herself having
passed long ago, or discarding him.
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Rather, they had earned the love of those who stuck with them to the
end (or their own). Keith would have definately enjoyed that departure
were he not rudely interrupted. The best that Billy could have
expected was being shown dying alone - Mama Chenowith herself having
passed long ago, or discarding him.
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-28 21:25:03 UTC
Post by FatKat
They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Uh... the name Claire springs to mind here.They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Post by FatKat
Rather, they had earned the love of those who stuck with them to the
end (or their own). Keith would have definately enjoyed that departure
were he not rudely interrupted. The best that Billy could have
expected was being shown dying alone - Mama Chenowith herself having
passed long ago, or discarding him.
Rather, they had earned the love of those who stuck with them to the
end (or their own). Keith would have definately enjoyed that departure
were he not rudely interrupted. The best that Billy could have
expected was being shown dying alone - Mama Chenowith herself having
passed long ago, or discarding him.
FatKat
2005-08-28 21:27:48 UTC
Post by Fragile Warrior
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was justPost by FatKat
They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Uh... the name Claire springs to mind here.They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
manitou
2005-08-28 22:17:09 UTC
Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
C.
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-28 22:34:57 UTC
Post by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
FatKat
2005-08-29 01:23:33 UTC
Post by Fragile Warrior
I think you've taken too literally the meaning of "dying alone". ItPost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
doesn't mean that at-that-minute you're in a room with nobody else - it
means that you're apparently a person who's obviously been alone for
quite some time. Claire and David (and even George, by George) were at
Ruth's bedside, strongly suggesting that they were ever-present in her
life. (Who knows, maybe she finally chipped through taht wall
surrounding that heart of his, though I'd feel safer about that had we
seen Maggie in any of those scenes.) Brenda was still around at
David's last, sunny picnic (boy, that David, what a party-pooper).
David didn't die surrounded by those who loved him because he just
happened to be at some picnic when he departed. He died with them
because the circumstances made clear he was a part of their lives and
did not retreat into a shell on Kieth's death.
As for Claire (or is it Clare? How is that woman's name spelled?) died
in a room that could not have been arranged or maintained by a woman of
her age. While we can accept the idea of her being able to buy an
interior designer, there is the still that matter of all those pictures
shown in the slow pan - which testify to a life spent watching and
immortalizing others, looking at them, picking apart their feelings and
not treating them as inanimate sponges which exist only to suck up some
pseudo-intellectual pap about emotional closure.
FC
2005-08-30 00:23:56 UTC
Post by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased.. IfPost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
notherenow
2005-08-30 14:43:46 UTC
Post by FC
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
Since the person's identity and relationship to Claire was not providedPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased.. IfPost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative. For all we know,
the woman in the chair in the room with Claire when she died at 102 was
Maya's granddaughter... The obits don't say who it was, just like they
didn't give the identify of Keith's killers, or give any detail on the
nature of David's subsequent partnership, be it domestic or business.
The only information that was provided was that there was a hallway with
photos taken by Claire over the course of her lifetime, Claire herself
was lying in a bed, and there was another person in the room sitting in
a chair doing nothing particularly noteworthy. As the previous poster
notes, if there is someone in the room when you die, even if it were a
complete stranger, literally speaking, you did not die alone.
Yenc-Post 2002
2005-08-30 15:42:31 UTC
Post by notherenow
provided this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
Loading Image...Post by FC
deceased.. If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The
Nurse was there when Claire died.
Since the person's identity and relationship to Claire was notPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for thePost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was
just a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" -
everybody else was dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was
just a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" -
everybody else was dead.
deceased.. If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The
Nurse was there when Claire died.
provided this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
(snipped)
notherenow
2005-08-30 19:38:24 UTC
Post by Yenc-Post 2002
(snipped)
Am having trouble understanding what you're trying to communicate. It'sPost by notherenow
provided this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap0144bc.jpgPost by FC
deceased.. If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The
Nurse was there when Claire died.
Since the person's identity and relationship to Claire was notPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for thePost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was
just a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" -
everybody else was dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was
just a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" -
everybody else was dead.
deceased.. If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The
Nurse was there when Claire died.
provided this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
(snipped)
a nice picture though, pretty clear if a bit distant for speculation
that this is Maya III or Willa Jr. :)
Jon Nadelberg
2005-08-31 00:06:50 UTC
Post by notherenow
this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
Unless dressing like a nurse becomes fashionable in 2085, it's prettyPost by FC
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
Since the person's identity and relationship to Claire was not providedPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased.. IfPost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
obviously a nurse.
KC
2005-08-31 03:23:03 UTC
Post by Jon Nadelberg
obviously a nurse.
She was dressed in white, with white shoes, but maybe that's the stylePost by notherenow
this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
Unless dressing like a nurse becomes fashionable in 2085, it's prettyPost by FC
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
Since the person's identity and relationship to Claire was not providedPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased.. IfPost by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there when
Claire died.
this discussion of a nurse is entirely speculative.
obviously a nurse.
in 2085. Maybe it was an interpretation of future fashion. Years ago,
nurses wore those white caps, but times changed and now they wear
pastel tops, no hats, a more casual look. We just don't know what
nursing fashion or civilian fashion is in 2085.
KC
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-30 14:42:10 UTC
Post by FC
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
Oh, yeah. Like Claire would even have been able to see that there was aPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased..Post by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
person 20' away reading a book and ignoring her.
FatKat
2005-08-30 14:58:44 UTC
Post by Fragile Warrior
person 20' away reading a book and ignoring her.
I don't remember the room being that big. Anyway, the nurse could havePost by FC
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
Oh, yeah. Like Claire would even have been able to see that there was aPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased..Post by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
person 20' away reading a book and ignoring her.
been reading to her - Claire may be blind, but not deaf.
notherenow
2005-08-30 17:52:51 UTC
Post by Fragile Warrior
person 20' away reading a book and ignoring her.
Even if she could not see her, Claire may have found her presencePost by FC
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
Oh, yeah. Like Claire would even have been able to see that there was aPost by Fragile Warrior
No, dying alone is when no one else is present except for the deceased..Post by manitou
With only a nurse in a chair reading a book that IS dying alone.Post by FatKat
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Correct.Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was just
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
If someone is with you, then how can you be alone. The Nurse was there
when Claire died.
person 20' away reading a book and ignoring her.
comforting. Seeing is not the only way to know that someone is close.
The scene we saw was reminiscent of a long-term caregiver and her
charge. She would have been alerted if Claire had been in distress.
But she wasn't, Claire expired quietly and peacefully. A most
desirable way to die.
b or t k-c
2005-08-28 22:25:02 UTC
... (like Keith)
Keith? What about David and the boys?...................
Post by Fragile Warrior
Wasn't there somebody in that room with Claire? Even if that was justPost by FatKat
They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
Uh... the name Claire springs to mind here.They didn't show it alright. His end isn't of much importance because
by then it's obvious that he became (whether due to mental illness,
poor upbringing or simply being an asshole) a person utterly oblivious
to the feelings of those around him. Did you notice that (Keith being
the obvious exception) none of the major characters died alone?
a nurse, Claire (like Keith) had a valid "excuse" - everybody else was
dead.
Fragile Warrior
2005-08-28 22:35:35 UTC
Were they in the back of the armored car?
black panda
2005-08-31 13:48:48 UTC
No, but the armed men that shot him were.
So I guess you could say that he might not have died alone.
So I guess you could say that he might not have died alone.