Claire's Prius

[k***@gmail.com]

Norice that Claire's new car was a Prius? That fits in with her SUV/oil
diatribe and anti-war ethics.

Cheers, Kim -- who once also had a sweet boyfriend who was into icky
Christian pop...

[Steve M. Mann]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Norice that Claire's new car was a Prius? That fits in with her SUV/oil
diatribe and anti-war ethics.

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction
of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

[Gary]

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?



A

[Steve M. Mann]

On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

[Dante]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

[ross.]

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of

Post by Gary

Post by Steve M. Mann
I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the
construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of
approximately 27-54 barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to
make up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

[b or t k-c]

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.
...................

Post by ross.

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of

Post by Gary

Post by Steve M. Mann
I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the
construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of
approximately 27-54 barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.

That's a pretty broad statement - a car might be an advantage in some
circumstances.

Taking "NYC" = Manhattan, Claire could burn thru her trust fund pretty
quickly keeping a car in the city.

[Patricia Butler]

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.

That's a pretty broad statement - a car might be an advantage in some
circumstances.
Taking "NYC" = Manhattan, Claire could burn thru her trust fund pretty
quickly keeping a car in the city.

Everyone knows Brooklyn's the hot place to live right now.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.

That's a pretty broad statement - a car might be an advantage in some
circumstances.
Taking "NYC" = Manhattan, Claire could burn thru her trust fund pretty
quickly keeping a car in the city.

Everyone knows Brooklyn's the hot place to live right now.

right you are! and the parking's free!

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.

That's a pretty broad statement - a car might be an advantage in some
circumstances.
Taking "NYC" = Manhattan, Claire could burn thru her trust fund pretty
quickly keeping a car in the city.

Everyone knows Brooklyn's the hot place to live right now.

Hoboken

[Mapanari]

Post by Patricia Butler
Everyone knows Brooklyn's the hot place to live right now.

She could move in with Bill Clinton in Harlem....and don't forget to remind
her to bring her knee pads!

[Mapanari]

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by b or t k-c

Post by ross.
And once she gets to NYC, whats the good of having a car anyway!

As a professional photographer... having a car in NY is an advantage...
expensive, but advantageous.

That's a pretty broad statement - a car might be an advantage in some
circumstances.
Taking "NYC" = Manhattan, Claire could burn thru her trust fund pretty
quickly keeping a car in the city.

In a liberal fantasy world though of television, every lazy, ignorant,
uneducated "artistic" girl who goes to LA or New York gets a job desiegning
dresses, taking photographes or owning bars where pretty, cool and fun
similar types hang out.

In real life, claire takes her trust fund money to New York, gets most of it
stolen by her first boyfriend, gets booted out of her too expensive apartment
after only 6 months when the money is gone, and after screwing for a place to
sleep and eat, and refusing to actually work for living, she turns to
"modeling" and "escort" services, and finds out that despite what all her
boyfriends, anxious to get into her pants told her all these years, her pussy
isn't made of gold and she isn't very special, and just laying there, smoking
cigarrettes and making catty comments to her johns just means she can't make
much money as a whore, and she starts taking drugs and the last scene you
find her is standing on a street corner fighting with some black ho over
who's corner this is.

Ending credits show a wasted away Claire lying in a hospice bed, dying of
Aids while a Who song plays in the background. (Behind Blue Eyes)

[m***@earthlink.net]

You're all over-thinking this. Claire *drove* to New York so that the
final montage could intercut between the future deaths and Claire's
long, lone drive across that desolate landscape.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by m***@earthlink.net
You're all over-thinking this. Claire *drove* to New York so that the
final montage could intercut between the future deaths and Claire's
long, lone drive across that desolate landscape.

So she didn't really drive to NYC, did she? Ball took her to that sound
stage where they shot the fake moon landings and had Claire "drive" for
the finale.

:)

[b***@yahoo.com]

yeah, well we all assumed she didnt actually drive to NY. But in the
make believe TV land she did.

[Charlie9]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:08:28 -0400, Sparky Spartacus

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

how many gallons of oil does it take to make a jet plane, and to fly
one?

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Charlie9
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:08:28 -0400, Sparky Spartacus

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

how many gallons of oil does it take to make a jet plane, and to fly
one?

I have no idea, but a widebody carries hundreds of passengers and
remains in service for decades. I'll bet the jet is far more efficient
in cost/passenger mile when compared to an automobile.

[notherenow]

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

I adored the fact that she was going on her own power, taking her future
in her own hands literally in the form of a steering wheel. I absolutely
rejoice that she wasn't being rescued from her dissolute aimless phase
by a man like Ted. Claire will forever be her own person!

Being young, this is the best time of her life to make that
cross-country drive. She still has the stamina. As far as it being
dangerous... would you say driving across country is more dangerous than
driving the back alleys of LA?

[Nil]

Post by notherenow
I adored the fact that she was going on her own power, taking her
future in her own hands literally in the form of a steering wheel.
I absolutely rejoice that she wasn't being rescued from her
dissolute aimless phase by a man like Ted. Claire will forever be
her own person!
Being young, this is the best time of her life to make that
cross-country drive. She still has the stamina. As far as it
being dangerous... would you say driving across country is more
dangerous than driving the back alleys of LA?

That scene really struck me hard because I did exactly the same thing
in my 20s. I loaded up my car and drove by myself from L.A. to Boston
to go to school. I even had a good-bye scene with my family similar to
Clair's, and drove the same route, east on I-10 and then on I-15
through the desert. It's a strange feeling to be left alone with your
thoughts for so long as the miles flow by. That is just the time when
your mind might be filled with ghosts of things past and to come.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by notherenow

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

I adored the fact that she was going on her own power, taking her future
in her own hands literally in the form of a steering wheel. I absolutely
rejoice that she wasn't being rescued from her dissolute aimless phase
by a man like Ted. Claire will forever be her own person!
Being young, this is the best time of her life to make that
cross-country drive. She still has the stamina. As far as it being
dangerous... would you say driving across country is more dangerous than
driving the back alleys of LA?

Have you ever seen "Easy Rider"? ;)

Seriously, she has a brand new car - suppose she has a problem in the
middle of the desert and her cell's battery needs recharging? She
doesn't strike me as the kind of driver who'd plan for such a
contingency. Odds are good, of course, that her trip would be
uneventful. I wonder if she took the northern route & met up with the
Deadwood crowd?

I don't recall Claire driving the back alleys of LA - that was more
David's thing.

[Mapanari]

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of

Post by Gary

Post by Steve M. Mann
I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the
construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of
approximately 27-54 barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

The price of gas today means that for a single person it's much cheaper to
fly or take the bus than drive any distance longer than 100 miles.

But then, she had a lot of boxes to carry too...

A normal person would have bought a nice used late model jap car, but hey!
She got her trust fund money from mommy and it's time to indulge liberal
fantasy spending habits at will!

It's like giving away billions to Africa; it's just a waste of money and
only corrupts them.
Giving money to liberals only encourages them to sit around, smoking dope
and taking pictures of their cocks, night lamps and toes.

[w***@gmail.com]

Post by Mapanari
The price of gas today means that for a single person it's much cheaper to
fly or take the bus than drive any distance longer than 100 miles.
But then, she had a lot of boxes to carry too...
A normal person would have bought a nice used late model jap car, but hey!
She got her trust fund money from mommy and it's time to indulge liberal
fantasy spending habits at will!
It's like giving away billions to Africa; it's just a waste of money and
only corrupts them.
Giving money to liberals only encourages them to sit around, smoking dope
and taking pictures of their cocks, night lamps and toes.
--
---Mapanari---

I think you meant to say 1000 miles. I can get 100 miles on $9 in gas.
You really sound like a fucking asshole.

[Patrick]

Post by w***@gmail.com
You really sound like a fucking asshole.

Yes he does, doesn't he. He obviously isn't the sharpest trocar in the
drawer.

[Jeannie-2]

Post by Mapanari

Post by Sparky Spartacus

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of

Post by Gary

Post by Steve M. Mann
I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the
construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of
approximately 27-54 barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

How long does it take to cover any car? A Hummer?

Post by Dante
I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

I thought she might fly. NYC is a long drive, especially for a young
woman going solo.

The price of gas today means that for a single person it's much cheaper to
fly or take the bus than drive any distance longer than 100 miles.
But then, she had a lot of boxes to carry too...
A normal person would have bought a nice used late model jap car, but hey!
She got her trust fund money from mommy and it's time to indulge liberal
fantasy spending habits at will!
It's like giving away billions to Africa; it's just a waste of money and
only corrupts them.
Giving money to liberals only encourages them to sit around, smoking dope
and taking pictures of their cocks, night lamps and toes.

Good thing that the conservatives are running up the debt then huh?

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

Fair as she is, she's have gone through a few barrels of suntan oil.

[Charlie9]

Post by b***@yahoo.com

Post by Dante
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:25:37 GMT, "Steve M. Mann"

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

I suppose she should have just walked to New York with all her
things on her back. She wouldn't have used a drop of oil then, huh.

Fair as she is, she's have gone through a few barrels of suntan oil.

best laugh I've had so far today. Thanks

[devilgrrl]

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

Yeah why wasn't she driving a HUMMER - it's so good on gas. </sarcasm>

[Patricia Butler]

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

[Steve M. Mann]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.
--
Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann

LMAO. Not all power is generated from oil. And if by chance every
American would drive a hybrid or even a corolla or similar milage car
we'd be in much better shape than we are now.

[Steve M. Mann]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.
--
Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann

LMAO. Not all power is generated from oil. And if by chance every
American would drive a hybrid or even a corolla or similar milage car
we'd be in much better shape than we are now.

Go ahead and laugh, though it's not really a laughing matter. Would we
be Better off? Maybe. Out of trouble. Not at all.

[notherenow]

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.

True, but it is a step forward toward a better solution. Doing nothing
except continuing to produce gas guzzlers because there is no immediate
single best solution is the worst cop out of all.

[Steve M. Mann]

Post by notherenow

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.

True, but it is a step forward toward a better solution. Doing nothing
except continuing to produce gas guzzlers because there is no immediate
single best solution is the worst cop out of all.

For the next time you have a couple of hours to do some reading:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by notherenow

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction of
an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

So you think she should've hiked to New York?

Just pointing out that the hybrid car is not the 'silver bullet' answer
many purport it to be. Sure, it uses LESS fuel than many other cars, but
it still uses fuel/oil. Even if EVERY car was a hybrid type, we'd still
be in the oil dependency mess we're in right now.

True, but it is a step forward toward a better solution. Doing nothing
except continuing to produce gas guzzlers because there is no immediate
single best solution is the worst cop out of all.

The neocons have never seen a quick buck they didn't love, no matter
what the long term consequences might be.

Can we all agree Claire should have hitched a ride on an 18 wheeler that
was going to the Big Apple anyway?

[Mapanari]

Post by Steve M. Mann
On 8/22/2005 8:17 PM, Gary pondered for some undetermined amount of time

Post by Gary

Post by Steve M. Mann
I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the
construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of
approximately 27-54 barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Ok. But that's approx the same for any car, right? So
one that is light (less steel?) and saves gas .. still saves
oil. No?

How long will she have to drive it before she saves enough gas to make
up for the oil it took to make it?

Our newspaper estimated about 17 years.

That extra $6,000 she paid for it though, invested at 5% interest rate and
doubling every 8 years, well, you do the math.

[Mapanari]

Post by Steve M. Mann

Post by k***@gmail.com
Norice that Claire's new car was a Prius? That fits in with her SUV/oil
diatribe and anti-war ethics.

I noticed it immediately and my first thought was that the construction
of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54
barrels of oil (1,100-2,200 gallons).

Marketing to the young, the stupid and liberals is like selling candy and
orange flavoring cocaine to 6 year olds.

Anything bright, shiny and marketed just right, and they'll buy anything.

[rick++]

Its kind of a pricy car for person her age.
Costs about $29K if you want to get one
right off the lot. If you are willing to be on
a wait list for for six months (in So Cal)
then its about $24K. A couple episodes
back she was so poor she couldnt even
afford to eat out. Must have raided her
trust fund.

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by rick++
Its kind of a pricy car for person her age.
Costs about $29K if you want to get one
right off the lot. If you are willing to be on
a wait list for for six months (in So Cal)
then its about $24K. A couple episodes
back she was so poor she couldnt even
afford to eat out. Must have raided her
trust fund.

I guess you missed the scene where Ruth said she would release her
fund.

According to Carsdirect.com MSRP Price:
$20,370
Invoice Price:
$22,815
Sales Price:
$0
Manufacturer Rebates:
Target Price: $22,815
Pricing as of 08/23/05 in zip code 90018

[rick++]

According to Carsdirect.com MSRP Price:
Invoice Price:
$22,815

Add sales tax, state tax and reg fees to get my $24K.
The sales price is never what it finally costs.

If you want to buy one off the lot you have add $5K
because there is a loong waiting list.
This is the politically correct auto-de-jour.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by rick++
Its kind of a pricy car for person her age.
Costs about $29K if you want to get one
right off the lot. If you are willing to be on
a wait list for for six months (in So Cal)
then its about $24K. A couple episodes
back she was so poor she couldnt even
afford to eat out. Must have raided her
trust fund.

Ruth said she'd free Claire's trust fund so she could go to NYC and have
a life.

[notherenow]

Post by rick++
Its kind of a pricy car for person her age.
Costs about $29K if you want to get one
right off the lot. If you are willing to be on
a wait list for for six months (in So Cal)
then its about $24K. A couple episodes
back she was so poor she couldnt even
afford to eat out. Must have raided her
trust fund.

A couple of episodes ago she didn't have access to her trust fund. Ruth
gave it to her so that she could pursue an education that Ruth had
denied herself.

[rick++]

Post by notherenow
A couple of episodes ago she didn't have access to her trust fund. Ruth
gave it to her so that she could pursue an education that Ruth had
denied herself.

Starving students still should buy the more expensive, new models.
You can can a nice compact off lease for 40% what she paid.
But all the Fischers are impulsive.

[notherenow]

Post by rick++

Post by notherenow
A couple of episodes ago she didn't have access to her trust fund. Ruth
gave it to her so that she could pursue an education that Ruth had
denied herself.

Starving students still should buy the more expensive, new models.
You can can a nice compact off lease for 40% what she paid.
But all the Fischers are impulsive.

Take a breath, man... count to ten or something before you give yourself
a tension headache. We didn't see the transaction, we don't know how
and under what financial arrangements Claire acquired this car. And
what's more it doesn't matter. The best thing about it being a new
model was that it had a CD player by which we were treated to music that
impressed many of us. The only other thing that matters is that this
car was consistent with Claire's SVU rant of last week. She might have
chosen another less-expensive hybrid, but we were not let in on the
details as to the why's and wherefore's behind the selection of this car
for this episode. My best bet is that Toyota totally made out with the
product placement.

One more thing that might matter is that in a literary sense, this shiny
brand-new vehicle symbolizes Claire's brand new life while the
destruction of her old recycled hearse represents the ending of her
dissolute aimless phase.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by notherenow

Post by rick++

Post by notherenow
A couple of episodes ago she didn't have access to her trust fund. Ruth
gave it to her so that she could pursue an education that Ruth had
denied herself.

Starving students still should buy the more expensive, new models.
You can can a nice compact off lease for 40% what she paid.
But all the Fischers are impulsive.

Take a breath, man... count to ten or something before you give yourself
a tension headache. We didn't see the transaction, we don't know how
and under what financial arrangements Claire acquired this car. And
what's more it doesn't matter. The best thing about it being a new
model was that it had a CD player by which we were treated to music that
impressed many of us. The only other thing that matters is that this
car was consistent with Claire's SVU rant of last week. She might have
chosen another less-expensive hybrid, but we were not let in on the
details as to the why's and wherefore's behind the selection of this car
for this episode. My best bet is that Toyota totally made out with the
product placement.
One more thing that might matter is that in a literary sense, this shiny
brand-new vehicle symbolizes Claire's brand new life while the
destruction of her old recycled hearse represents the ending of her
dissolute aimless phase.

Nice summary - great post!

[Mapanari]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Norice that Claire's new car was a Prius? That fits in with her SUV/oil
diatribe and anti-war ethics.
Cheers, Kim -- who once also had a sweet boyfriend who was into icky
Christian pop...

And she paid extra money for the appearence of gas savings, and I hate to
tell you stupid liberals this, but there are many cars that can get that gas
milage without all that crap on it, and the car has problems and the
technology is really pretty stupid and useless.

But hey! If it impresses your slacker luzer liberal friends that's all that
counts, huh?

I mean, I buy all sorts of things just to impress the bums on the street and
the black girl behind the counter, chewing bubble gum and smacking her greasy
lips as she painfully tried to figure out what 40 cents from 1 dollar is in
in change.

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Mapanari

Post by k***@gmail.com
Norice that Claire's new car was a Prius? That fits in with her SUV/oil
diatribe and anti-war ethics.
Cheers, Kim -- who once also had a sweet boyfriend who was into icky
Christian pop...

And she paid extra money for the appearence of gas savings, and I hate to
tell you stupid liberals this, but there are many cars that can get that gas
milage without all that crap on it, and the car has problems and the
technology is really pretty stupid and useless.
But hey! If it impresses your slacker luzer liberal friends that's all that
counts, huh?
I mean, I buy all sorts of things just to impress the bums on the street and
the black girl behind the counter, chewing bubble gum and smacking her greasy
lips as she painfully tried to figure out what 40 cents from 1 dollar is in
in change.
--
---Mapanari---

Mapanari, shut the fuck up! 5 posts today. Your first ever to this
newsgroup all rabid ravings about "stupid liberals." If you have no
interest in Six Feet Under, and just want to belaberate on your hatred
of liberals, take it to a politcal newsgroup.

[RB]

Post by b***@yahoo.com
Mapanari, shut the fuck up! 5 posts today. Your first ever to this
newsgroup all rabid ravings about "stupid liberals." If you have no
interest in Six Feet Under, and just want to belaberate on your hatred
of liberals, take it to a politcal newsgroup.

Belatedly, I echo that sentiment. Mapanari, with all your
looking-down-your-nose, (referring to "the masses" as if you are somehow
above all that) you sound like every snot-nosed "I have the answer" kid.
Yet some of your posts indicate you are older than that -- which is sad.
Usually this kind of mindless arrogance disappears around college age.

Grow up, meanwhile shut up.