The big goodbye

[TV]

I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.

It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.

But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.


Theresa

[Crystal]

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s

it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

[Fragile Warrior]

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been
in her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to
be 98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

Claire lived to be 102 or 104 or some ghastly age.

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been
in her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to
be 98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

Claire lived to be 102 or 104 or some ghastly age.

oh yah, she was 102... I suck at Math I thought it was 98 LOL

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been
in her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to
be 98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

Claire lived to be 102 or 104 or some ghastly age.

Maya would have been in her early 80s when Claire died.... she probably was
dead by then too.

[FatKat]

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

[Keith Gow]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

-- Keith Gow --

http://reviewaday.blogspot.com/

[Crystal]

Post by Keith Gow
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can have
a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first, but
Claire didn't seem like the motherly type either

[Fragile Warrior]

Post by Crystal

Post by Keith Gow
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can
have a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first,

It wasn't.

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

Post by Keith Gow
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can
have a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first,

It wasn't.

abortion does not count as childbirth

[b***@yahoo.com]

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Post by Fragile Warrior

Post by Crystal
not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can
have a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first,

It wasn't.

abortion does not count as childbirth

The first post didn't specify "first" what? Conception, pregnancy,
child?

[Fragile Warrior]

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Post by Fragile Warrior

Post by Crystal

Post by Keith Gow
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to
live to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can
have a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first,

It wasn't.

abortion does not count as childbirth

Pregnany, however, counts as pregnancy -- aborted or not.

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

Post by Fragile Warrior

Post by Crystal

Post by Keith Gow
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:30:24 GMT, "Crystal"

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to
live to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

not sure if they married right away... but regardless at 42 a woman can
have a significant problem getting pregnant especially if it is her first,

It wasn't.

abortion does not count as childbirth

Pregnany, however, counts as pregnancy -- aborted or not.

Well then we can open another can of worms about problems with carrying a
baby to term the older you get OR problems with the child when born....
both percentages increase

[Sparky Spartacus]

Keith Gow wrote:

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Post by FatKat
I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

42's pretty old for a primapara (first child). IIRC the odds of having a
problem go up after 35 and more steeply after 40.

[TV]

Funny you say this. I had no problem getting knocked up at 34, now I'm
38 and well, the well may have run dry.

Not that I have a problem with having one.

Thresa

[Jordan]

Post by Keith Gow
Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

Well, Claire was 42 when Ruth died, but didn't it show that Ted and Claire
married AFTER Keith died? That would have put her at 46 or so.

Who's to say what fertility treatments are going to be like in 20 or 30
years, but she didn't seem to be in a rush to be married or have children or
she likely would have found some way to do it before she reunited with Ted.
I think she was likely just very career-driven.

I hope that Maya and Willa's children and grandchildren, as well as
Durrell's children and grandchildren loved and cared for her--- she might
very well have outlived Anthony and Durrell. I myself had an elderly great
aunt and uncle who were childless, and they were much adored and part of our
family until their passing, close with the nieces and nephews and their
children and still very much a part of the family. And since it's not
guaranteed that *I* will have grandchildren, I hope that it will be the same
way for me.

Sheesh, I have GOT to get out of this newsgroup; I've said goodbye already
three times, I think. You all keep making good points. I hate to see the
conversation end....

[KC]

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Post by Keith Gow
Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

Well, Claire was 42 when Ruth died, but didn't it show that Ted and Claire
married AFTER Keith died? That would have put her at 46 or so.
Who's to say what fertility treatments are going to be like in 20 or 30
years, but she didn't seem to be in a rush to be married or have children or
she likely would have found some way to do it before she reunited with Ted.
I think she was likely just very career-driven.

Yes, Ruth died in 2025 and Keith was killed in 2029. Then comes the
scene where Claire and Ted marry, so it was at least 2029. Maybe they
married in response to Keith's death, seeing how quickly things can
change. As far as kids go, we don't know if Ted married in the ensuing
years. He may have kids from a relationship or marriage between 2005
and 2025 and that may have been enough for him and Claire.

KC

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Jordan

Post by Keith Gow
Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

Well, Claire was 42 when Ruth died, but didn't it show that Ted and Claire
married AFTER Keith died? That would have put her at 46 or so.
Who's to say what fertility treatments are going to be like in 20 or 30
years, but she didn't seem to be in a rush to be married or have children or
she likely would have found some way to do it before she reunited with Ted.
I think she was likely just very career-driven.

Yes, Ruth died in 2025 and Keith was killed in 2029. Then comes the
scene where Claire and Ted marry, so it was at least 2029. Maybe they
married in response to Keith's death, seeing how quickly things can
change.

Is there anything in Claire's history to suggest that she's not well
aware of how quickly things can change? I mean, the girl lived in a
funeral home.

[KC]

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Post by KC

Post by Jordan

Post by Keith Gow
Well she was 42 when Ruth died and he returned to her at Ruth's
funeral. Not strictly beyond her childbearing years, but maybe she
just never wanted children?

Well, Claire was 42 when Ruth died, but didn't it show that Ted and Claire
married AFTER Keith died? That would have put her at 46 or so.
Who's to say what fertility treatments are going to be like in 20 or 30
years, but she didn't seem to be in a rush to be married or have children or
she likely would have found some way to do it before she reunited with Ted.
I think she was likely just very career-driven.

Yes, Ruth died in 2025 and Keith was killed in 2029. Then comes the
scene where Claire and Ted marry, so it was at least 2029. Maybe they
married in response to Keith's death, seeing how quickly things can
change.

Is there anything in Claire's history to suggest that she's not well
aware of how quickly things can change? I mean, the girl lived in a
funeral home.

True, but I grew up with two families who ran funeral homes and those
kids saw the business as separate from their own lives. More to the
point is that Claire lost her father and brother suddenly and I
realized what I wrote after I posted. I just meant that we don't know
if they got married right away after Keith was killed, thinking,
"Let's do it, what are we waiting for?", or if it was some time after.
The original comment was that Claire was past childbearing years when
she married Ted and I'm saying that we don't know exactly how old she
was, just that she was at least 46.

KC

[Fragile Warrior]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

They had some discussion about her abortion and perhaps her not being able
to have kids (?) when they were in her bed. I zoned out but I thought I
heard Ted say something about her maybe not being able to have kids. If I
had realized it was a set-up for the finale, I would have listened better,
damn it.

[Crystal]

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Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years,
she looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

They had some discussion about her abortion and perhaps her not being able
to have kids (?) when they were in her bed. I zoned out but I thought I
heard Ted say something about her maybe not being able to have kids. If I
had realized it was a set-up for the finale, I would have listened better,
damn it.

I only recall abortion talk, nothing else you

[FatKat]

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Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

They had some discussion about her abortion and perhaps her not being able
to have kids (?) when they were in her bed. I zoned out but I thought I
heard Ted say something about her maybe not being able to have kids.

I thought the abortion thing was her way of distinguishing herself from
Ted - since he was a conservative, the fact that she had aborted Russ's
baby would be a good way of testing he connections between them. yet,
lo & behold, he was no stranger to that subject (of course, by then
he'd already seen Russel - what is it with Fisher women and the
insanity of their men?)

[b***@yahoo.com]

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Post by FatKat
I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

They had some discussion about her abortion and perhaps her not being able
to have kids (?) when they were in her bed. I zoned out but I thought I
heard Ted say something about her maybe not being able to have kids. If I
had realized it was a set-up for the finale, I would have listened better,
damn it.

You really must not have been listening. The conversation segued from
Claire's confession to Ted similarly confessing he'd PAID for an
abortion. He further confessed that he hadn't really paid for it as he
still owed her a check. (I suspected that second part was a joke, as he
was trying to lighten the mood, but who knows? I think his overall
point was to comfort/reassure Claire he wouldn't dump her for having
had an abortion.)

There was no allusion to Claire not being able to have children.

[Fragile Warrior]

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Post by FatKat
I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

They had some discussion about her abortion and perhaps her not being able
to have kids (?) when they were in her bed. I zoned out but I thought I
heard Ted say something about her maybe not being able to have kids. If I
had realized it was a set-up for the finale, I would have listened better,
damn it.

You really must not have been listening

Gee, maybe that's what "I zoned out" meant, huh?

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

[Crystal]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

Its a known fact that your percentage for getting pregnant goes down
drastically at 35 and then even more at 40... obviously there are exceptions
to this.

[Patricia Butler]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

Its a known fact that your percentage for getting pregnant goes down
drastically at 35 and then even more at 40... obviously there are exceptions
to this.

According to the US Census Bureau, there are more than 100,000 new
mothers each year who are 40 or older.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Patricia Butler wrote:

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal
Its a known fact that your percentage for getting pregnant goes down
drastically at 35 and then even more at 40... obviously there are exceptions
to this.

According to the US Census Bureau, there are more than 100,000 new
mothers each year who are 40 or older.

Vs. how many under 40?

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal
Its a known fact that your percentage for getting pregnant goes down
drastically at 35 and then even more at 40... obviously there are exceptions
to this.

According to the US Census Bureau, there are more than 100,000 new
mothers each year who are 40 or older.

Vs. how many under 40?

I don't remember the exact number, but quite a lot. But remember, this
statistic is referring to NEW mothers -- women giving birth for the
first time. It didn't address women 40 or older having their second,
third, etc. child.

[Sparky Spartacus]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal
Its a known fact that your percentage for getting pregnant goes down
drastically at 35 and then even more at 40... obviously there are exceptions
to this.

According to the US Census Bureau, there are more than 100,000 new
mothers each year who are 40 or older.

Vs. how many under 40?

I don't remember the exact number, but quite a lot. But remember, this
statistic is referring to NEW mothers -- women giving birth for the
first time. It didn't address women 40 or older having their second,
third, etc. child.

I remember, all right; but you posted the 100,000 figure for primaparas
over 40. Is that 1% or 50% of new mothers? The raw number needs some
context.

[Marina]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually
do, they really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to
death sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her
freedom to go, more than anything else. Her journey was the
longest, and the most lasting impression. I wonder if she
outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married
Ted. As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of
guy who'd want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her
(likely) many students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing
years, she looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they
married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like
women hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old
folks' home!

Right on!!!

[notherenow]

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Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually
do, they really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to
death sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her
freedom to go, more than anything else. Her journey was the
longest, and the most lasting impression. I wonder if she
outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married
Ted. As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of
guy who'd want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her
(likely) many students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing
years, she looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they
married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like
women hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old
folks' home!

Right on!!!

Well into my 50's, happily past the childbearing years (unscathed,
thanks to Yaweh) and still no greased slide in view.

[notherenow]

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Post by Crystal

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Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

So... given that you're not feeling especially well... I hope you didn't
mean to say that post-menopausal women *should* be on that greased slide
to the old folks warehouse.

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

So... given that you're not feeling especially well... I hope you didn't
mean to say that post-menopausal women *should* be on that greased slide
to the old folks warehouse.

Since nothing I wrote even remotely hinted that that's what I meant, I
guess it would be a fair assumption that that's not what I meant.

[Sparky Spartacus]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

Of course not (although it might be a good idea in some cases)! The
difference, of course, is stats & women as a group vs. individual cases,
which vary enormously. Besides, PMS relates to menstruating, which
doesn't stop until menopause, and has little to do with a woman's
fertility & statistically greater chances of a problem pregnancy.

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal

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Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

Of course not (although it might be a good idea in some cases)! The
difference, of course, is stats & women as a group vs. individual cases,
which vary enormously. Besides, PMS relates to menstruating, which
doesn't stop until menopause, and has little to do with a woman's
fertility & statistically greater chances of a problem pregnancy.

If you think having regular periods has little to do with a woman's
fertility, you need to sue your high school biology teacher.

[Sparky Spartacus]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

Of course not (although it might be a good idea in some cases)! The
difference, of course, is stats & women as a group vs. individual cases,
which vary enormously. Besides, PMS relates to menstruating, which
doesn't stop until menopause, and has little to do with a woman's
fertility & statistically greater chances of a problem pregnancy.

If you think having regular periods has little to do with a woman's
fertility, you need to sue your high school biology teacher.

I expected something like this from you.

[Lesa]

Post by Sparky Spartacus
Of course not (although it might be a good idea in some cases)! The
difference, of course, is stats & women as a group vs. individual cases,
which vary enormously. Besides, PMS relates to menstruating, which doesn't
stop until menopause, and has little to do with a woman's fertility &
statistically greater chances of a problem pregnancy.

In fact PMS tends to increase in both intensity and frequency during the
pre-menopausal stage. For the last 4 months I haven't gone more than 15
days (shortest being 9) and have mood swings and cramps like I haven't felt
since I was 14. Combined with the night sweats and the hot flashes I'll be
very glad when the "pre" is over and its just menopause.

[PattyC]

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

[PattyC]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by Crystal

Post by FatKat

Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

I am 10 years older than you and PMS still is a part of my life.

NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)

I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.

PattyC

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Crystal

Post by TV
I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have
been
in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live
to
be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing

I was surprised that she died childless even though she married Ted.
As a repub, and as Ted in general, he seemed like the kind of guy who'd
want to have kids. Perhaps her children were her (likely) many
students.

by the time she married Ted, she was probably past childbearing years, she
looked to be mid-40s perhaps closer to 50 when they married

Excuse me, but I'm nearly 44 and have a RAGING case of PMS as I type
this. Adrienne Barbeau gave birth to twins at 52. It's not like women
hit 40 and are suddenly tossed on a greased slide to the old folks'
home!

I am 10 years older than you and PMS still is a part of my life.
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

[PattyC]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.

Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do. What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies. Whatever.

I am too busy enjoying the comments and analyzing about the show's ending to
get in a pissing contest with you. Have a nice life.

PattyC

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.
Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do. What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies. Whatever.

The "big deal" is you making personal comments about me. I find it
offensive and I asked you to stop. If that somehow offended you, I'd
suggest you are a wee bit overly sensitive... Geez.

[Tina]

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.
Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do.
What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies.
Whatever.

The "big deal" is you making personal comments about me. I find it
offensive and I asked you to stop. If that somehow offended you, I'd
suggest you are a wee bit overly sensitive... Geez.

And not above mocking either. PattyC said "in general" how fucking personal
is that?

Tina

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or, at least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.
Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do.
What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies.
Whatever.

The "big deal" is you making personal comments about me. I find it
offensive and I asked you to stop. If that somehow offended you, I'd
suggest you are a wee bit overly sensitive... Geez.

And not above mocking either. PattyC said "in general" how fucking personal
is that?
Tina

None of this actually involves you.

[Tina]

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Post by Tina

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or,
at
least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.
Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do.
What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies.
Whatever.

The "big deal" is you making personal comments about me. I find it
offensive and I asked you to stop. If that somehow offended you, I'd
suggest you are a wee bit overly sensitive... Geez.

And not above mocking either. PattyC said "in general" how fucking personal
is that?
Tina

None of this actually involves you.

Darling Patty, it's Usenet...

Tina

[Patricia Butler]

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Post by PattyC

Post by Patricia Butler

Post by PattyC
NEVERTHELESS, I would say you AND I are in general "past child bearing
years" in the sense that we are not likely to be having kids. (Or,
at
least
*I* am sure not likely!!!)
I would think Claire at 40something was pretty unlikely to begin a
family,
despite the status of her estrogen.
PattyC

Please speak only for yourself. You know nothing about me or my life
or what I'm likely or unlikely to do. For you to presume otherwise is
outrageously offensive. And I'd also like to remind folks that we're
talking about 20-25 years in the future. None of us has any idea what
the state of fertility and childbearing might be at that time. The
trend for the past decade or so has seen older and older new parents.
In 25 years, it may not be at all unusual for the average age of new
parents to be 10+ years older than it is now. (I have some friends who
just has their first baby 2 years ago; mom was 45, dad 42.)

If what I said "outrageously" offended you, I'd suggest you are a wee bit
overly sensitive.... Geez.
Generally women over 40 have kids less often than younger women do.
What's
the big deal? Maybe in 25 years, men will be having the babies.
Whatever.

The "big deal" is you making personal comments about me. I find it
offensive and I asked you to stop. If that somehow offended you, I'd
suggest you are a wee bit overly sensitive... Geez.

And not above mocking either. PattyC said "in general" how fucking personal
is that?
Tina

None of this actually involves you.

Darling Patty, it's Usenet...
Tina

I assume you're talking to PattyC.

[Ann]

<<But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.>>

Don't you mean Ruth gave Claire her blessing and freedom to go?

Post by Crystal

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I saw the last episode. At least three times. I thought it was
cathartic how instead of things falling apart as they usually do, they
really came together this time.
It was comical watching Brenda die. I mean, Billy bores me to death
sometimes too.
But I cried more when Ruth gave Brenda her blessing and her freedom to
go, more than anything else. Her journey was the longest, and the most
lasting impression. I wonder if she outlived Maya even.

what year was maya born? 2003? when Claire died, Maya would have been in
her early 80s
it is sort of ironic that Claire would out live everyone, and to live to be
98, but to die with no family left... how depressing